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It just shows that motives for inlcuding yourself in football world are very different.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37168955
European Super League move 'would lead to war'
Talks involving leading European clubs and Uefa have been ongoing for a number of months
Any move to form a breakaway super league involving Europe's top sides would lead to "war" between the clubs and Uefa, says a leading presidential candidate for the governing body.
Alexander Ceferin, who heads the Slovenian FA and holds more than 20 pledges of support for his presidential candidacy, insists any closed super league is "out of the question".
Talks involving leading European clubs and Uefa have been ongoing for a number of months, with a Champions League format revamp under discussion.
A decision on potential changes could be announced as early as Friday.
Such reforms could end threats by some elite clubs to break away and form a super league before 2021.
The Premier League's new £9bn TV deal is one of the main reasons why European sides are so keen to see change.
Real Madrid took home £81m for winning the competition last season. But the side finishing last in the Premier League this season is guaranteed about £97m.
With such a financial gulf beginning to emerge across the continent, Uefa is under pressure to deliver a significant uplift in revenues for Champions League TV rights when negotiations begin later this year.
"Uefa at this moment needs fresh blood, new ideas, new faces." - Alexander Ceferin
Sports companies in the US and China have proposed a breakaway league but Ceferin insists European football will remain united.
"One of the main issues awaiting the next Uefa president is relations to the big clubs," he said.
"My firm opinion is that some kind of closed super league with just a few clubs in, without the possibility for the others to enter, is out of the question. It will mean a kind of war between Uefa and the clubs.
"If they want more revenues we should work on it. It is possible. The Champions League is the best sports product in the world, for sure. But it doesn't generate the most money. So we should include them [the clubs] more."
Ceferin is one of three candidates standing in next month's Uefa presidential election, called after Michel Platini was forced to step down after being banned by Fifa's ethics committee in relation to a payment he received from former Fifa president Sepp Blatter.
Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini were suspended for eight years from all football-related activities following an ethics investigation
Michael van Praag of the Netherlands and Angel Maria Villar of Spain are also seeking to win the ballot which will be held in Athens on 14 September.
But Ceferin is increasingly confident his coalition of support is gaining momentum.
As he prepares for a meeting in Glasgow on Thursday with officials from the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish football associations, Ceferin insists Uefa must now seek a new direction.
"We can work on transparency and inclusion. Before, with Michel Platini, we had a charismatic leader. Now, if I come there, we will have a team leader.
"I think Uefa has, in principle, a good administration. We have great experts in the FAs which were not included in the decision-making. So I think that should change.
And after the controversial years of Blatter and Platini, he thinks football is ready for a new face despite his relative inexperience.
"Of course, we should work together with some people who are experienced but to try to say only the one who is there for 30 years could lead Uefa? It's quite silly. Nobody would believe that.
"If anything, I am independent. Everybody who knows me knows that. Maybe there's a time for a person whose not a member of the football establishment to come.
"Uefa at this moment needs fresh blood, new ideas, new faces."
A decision on potential changes to the Champions League format could be announced on Friday
Following Euro 2016, which was marred by violence, Ceferin also believes Uefa must now improve how it deals with discrimination and security issues.
A small number of England, France and Russia supporters were involved in the most serious incidents of violence during the tournament.
Uefa had threatened to disqualify England and Russia from the tournament following violent scenes during the 1-1 draw in Marseille.
"It's never enough, you never do enough. And Uefa doesn't do enough.
"I think we should create a department within Uefa - let's call it 'Protection of the game' - where we will deal with anti-doping, safety and security, fight against match-fixing and, of course, racism.
"We've seen the situation now at the Euros and obviously the security situation in Europe is not getting better, it's getting worse every day.
"We should be pro-active, we should work on it because if a person dies, even a bigger catastrophe happens it's a disaster for football, for Uefa, for Europe.
European Super League move 'would lead to war'
Talks involving leading European clubs and Uefa have been ongoing for a number of months
Any move to form a breakaway super league involving Europe's top sides would lead to "war" between the clubs and Uefa, says a leading presidential candidate for the governing body.
Alexander Ceferin, who heads the Slovenian FA and holds more than 20 pledges of support for his presidential candidacy, insists any closed super league is "out of the question".
Talks involving leading European clubs and Uefa have been ongoing for a number of months, with a Champions League format revamp under discussion.
A decision on potential changes could be announced as early as Friday.
Such reforms could end threats by some elite clubs to break away and form a super league before 2021.
The Premier League's new £9bn TV deal is one of the main reasons why European sides are so keen to see change.
Real Madrid took home £81m for winning the competition last season. But the side finishing last in the Premier League this season is guaranteed about £97m.
With such a financial gulf beginning to emerge across the continent, Uefa is under pressure to deliver a significant uplift in revenues for Champions League TV rights when negotiations begin later this year.
"Uefa at this moment needs fresh blood, new ideas, new faces." - Alexander Ceferin
Sports companies in the US and China have proposed a breakaway league but Ceferin insists European football will remain united.
"One of the main issues awaiting the next Uefa president is relations to the big clubs," he said.
"My firm opinion is that some kind of closed super league with just a few clubs in, without the possibility for the others to enter, is out of the question. It will mean a kind of war between Uefa and the clubs.
"If they want more revenues we should work on it. It is possible. The Champions League is the best sports product in the world, for sure. But it doesn't generate the most money. So we should include them [the clubs] more."
Ceferin is one of three candidates standing in next month's Uefa presidential election, called after Michel Platini was forced to step down after being banned by Fifa's ethics committee in relation to a payment he received from former Fifa president Sepp Blatter.
Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini were suspended for eight years from all football-related activities following an ethics investigation
Michael van Praag of the Netherlands and Angel Maria Villar of Spain are also seeking to win the ballot which will be held in Athens on 14 September.
But Ceferin is increasingly confident his coalition of support is gaining momentum.
As he prepares for a meeting in Glasgow on Thursday with officials from the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish football associations, Ceferin insists Uefa must now seek a new direction.
"We can work on transparency and inclusion. Before, with Michel Platini, we had a charismatic leader. Now, if I come there, we will have a team leader.
"I think Uefa has, in principle, a good administration. We have great experts in the FAs which were not included in the decision-making. So I think that should change.
And after the controversial years of Blatter and Platini, he thinks football is ready for a new face despite his relative inexperience.
"Of course, we should work together with some people who are experienced but to try to say only the one who is there for 30 years could lead Uefa? It's quite silly. Nobody would believe that.
"If anything, I am independent. Everybody who knows me knows that. Maybe there's a time for a person whose not a member of the football establishment to come.
"Uefa at this moment needs fresh blood, new ideas, new faces."
A decision on potential changes to the Champions League format could be announced on Friday
Following Euro 2016, which was marred by violence, Ceferin also believes Uefa must now improve how it deals with discrimination and security issues.
A small number of England, France and Russia supporters were involved in the most serious incidents of violence during the tournament.
Uefa had threatened to disqualify England and Russia from the tournament following violent scenes during the 1-1 draw in Marseille.
"It's never enough, you never do enough. And Uefa doesn't do enough.
"I think we should create a department within Uefa - let's call it 'Protection of the game' - where we will deal with anti-doping, safety and security, fight against match-fixing and, of course, racism.
"We've seen the situation now at the Euros and obviously the security situation in Europe is not getting better, it's getting worse every day.
"We should be pro-active, we should work on it because if a person dies, even a bigger catastrophe happens it's a disaster for football, for Uefa, for Europe.
tommytowne
Player Valuation: £50m
I have said many times in the past, let them go and play in their own "super league ". Don't arse around with a Champions league in its present form, give them their own competition 100% of their time then sit back and watch the novelty wear off when they realise the real attraction is playing in your own domestic league with all the traditional rivalries it generates.
As an example, wasn't it the case not so long ago that Juventus played a CL game in front of only a few thousand fans.
My views aren't generated by the green eyed monster, just a heartfelt belief that the competition is killing the game.
As an example, wasn't it the case not so long ago that Juventus played a CL game in front of only a few thousand fans.
My views aren't generated by the green eyed monster, just a heartfelt belief that the competition is killing the game.
Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
The only issue is that the sky deal for the premiership would drop massively as the likes of the big clubs have left, how many would leave
Man u
Man city
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool would want to leave as well, what about spurs
tommytowne
Player Valuation: £50m
Chicken or egg situation.
If there was a thriving healthy domestic league Sky would be first in the queue to pay to televise the competition.
You have mentioned four possibly six clubs from England but taking into account the German, French, Spanish and German clubs wanting access, the numbers would have to be limited.
All pie in the sky from me of course, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if they got their wish.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
This'll be interesting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37728370
Champions League proposals lead to European leagues fixture protest.
The body representing Europe's 25 top leagues has ended an agreement with Uefa to not schedule fixtures on the same day as Champions League games.
The move by the European Professional Football Leagues (EPFL) is in protest at reforms to the Champions League that give more power to major clubs.
The changes to entry criteria and prize-money splits for three seasons from 2018 were announced in August.
The EPFL were angry that they were left out of talks about the alterations.
The changes meant Europe's top four domestic leagues - Spain, Germany, England and Italy - would be guaranteed four places each in the group stages.
The EFPL says only Serie A opposed a decision on Friday to end cooperation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37728370
Champions League proposals lead to European leagues fixture protest.
The body representing Europe's 25 top leagues has ended an agreement with Uefa to not schedule fixtures on the same day as Champions League games.
The move by the European Professional Football Leagues (EPFL) is in protest at reforms to the Champions League that give more power to major clubs.
The changes to entry criteria and prize-money splits for three seasons from 2018 were announced in August.
The EPFL were angry that they were left out of talks about the alterations.
The changes meant Europe's top four domestic leagues - Spain, Germany, England and Italy - would be guaranteed four places each in the group stages.
The EFPL says only Serie A opposed a decision on Friday to end cooperation.
OneTrueLegend
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I think the biggest winners out of the changes are Italy, as they get an extra place, in England, Spain and Germany the 4th place team usually qualifies anyway.
I think the whole thing of "no domestic games on champions league nights" was brought in because there was an FA cup replay on a champions league night and more people around the world watched the fa cup game than the champions league games and uefa were not happy
NEWSWEETTOFFEE
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I wonder, how French football fans are feeling now with all new shiny stadiums. Italians really put some distance between them and French.
OneTrueLegend
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The justification for Italy getting another place is on "past winners", which seems like a weak argument to me. But given that logic, I don't think the french can have much to complain about though given that they haven't won a European club competition since Marseilles in 1993
NEWSWEETTOFFEE
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Well, i had to check that information about Marseilles being the only French club with European title. I discovered that in 1996 PSG won CWC, but i thought that it would be funny to confirm your info about bad performances from French. Unfortunately they are a little better.
NEWSWEETTOFFEE
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If any number of clubs decide to make some intercontinental league, UEFA and national associations should just throw them out of their competitions and give their places to the next clubs in line. Let them play Glorychasers League in Asia/America friendly terms.
brieverton
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I don't ever see a European Super League, provided the clubs that are not invited are resolute about not accepting participation in 2nd rate cup competitions as a faux sweetener.
We more than likely could never be part of a super league, unless FM gets his act together very fast.
I can't see it working anyway, not as a league format where 16-18 teams play each other twice a season.
There could ever be only one winner each year obviously, and it would probably be restricted to one of three or four clubs winning it in any year.
I don't see the appeal for the likes for Arsenal, Liverpool, or even Man United currently with this - they would be a bit like we are now - saying things like "6th would be a decent finish" But then 4th or 6th doesn't qualify you for anything. That's the appeal of things as they currently stand.
It might be a moneyspinner but fans fed on a diet of domestic success as a minimum would soon tire of being perpetual also-rans. It would result in the only the most elite of elite clubs getting bigger and richer.
That's why if it did seem it was getting off the ground, I'm sure there would be moves to upgrade cup competitions, either as they currently are domestically, or have a some kind of pan-European Super Cup, along the lines of the original European Cup, in which we would be included.
I wouldn't want Everton to be reduced to the equivalent of say Wolves or Leeds, drawn in a cup competition, against super-league opponents. If that was the case, all exluded clubs should boycott and let the elite continuously play off against themselves.
It would get very stale very soon.
We more than likely could never be part of a super league, unless FM gets his act together very fast.
I can't see it working anyway, not as a league format where 16-18 teams play each other twice a season.
There could ever be only one winner each year obviously, and it would probably be restricted to one of three or four clubs winning it in any year.
I don't see the appeal for the likes for Arsenal, Liverpool, or even Man United currently with this - they would be a bit like we are now - saying things like "6th would be a decent finish" But then 4th or 6th doesn't qualify you for anything. That's the appeal of things as they currently stand.
It might be a moneyspinner but fans fed on a diet of domestic success as a minimum would soon tire of being perpetual also-rans. It would result in the only the most elite of elite clubs getting bigger and richer.
That's why if it did seem it was getting off the ground, I'm sure there would be moves to upgrade cup competitions, either as they currently are domestically, or have a some kind of pan-European Super Cup, along the lines of the original European Cup, in which we would be included.
I wouldn't want Everton to be reduced to the equivalent of say Wolves or Leeds, drawn in a cup competition, against super-league opponents. If that was the case, all exluded clubs should boycott and let the elite continuously play off against themselves.
It would get very stale very soon.
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