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That's Ecotricity, a business ran by the clubs owner, a business that makes profit from 'green' energy.

Forest Green are ran the way they are as a marketing stunt, basically a walking advertising board for the owners business. It is done purely, 100% for profit.

I repeat - there's not a single business on this planet that puts morals over profit. If those morals impact profit, they're binned. That's the real world.

To be fair the whole business model is to do with green energy, the fact that the owners need to pay wages, etc. is not an argument to say that we should be having a go at them.

Please tell me on the doll where business touched you? There must be a reason for such attacks on all businesses for being greedy, etc.
 

Are you suggesting they would make less money if they weren't ran as an eco-friendly club?

The business owner runs an eco-friendly business that is profitable. He runs Forest Green as a niche club to promote his brand. For him, it is worthwhile to absorb the costs of doing so at the club because it benefits his business portfolio elsewhere. It's an advertisement - no different to the oil brands stated above.

The minute, the very minute, the approach at Forest Green isn't cost-effective, it'll be changed. Dale Vince runs Forest Green the way it is, because it benefits the pockets of Dale Vince.

If you don't see it that way, you're the exact type of person he's marketing at, and you've fell for it.
 
To be fair the whole business model is to do with green energy, the fact that the owners need to pay wages, etc. is not an argument to say that we should be having a go at them.

Please tell me on the doll where business touched you? There must be a reason for such attacks on all businesses for being greedy, etc.

See, this to me is fascinating - I'm more concerned at what compels you to protect businesses jumping on causes for marketing purposes.

In wrestling parlance, you're a "mark" - someone who has fell for their strategy because you don't understand the underpinning purpose of it.

But I'll answer you - I'm not attacking businesses for doing it. Hell, I'd do the same thing at any of these businesses. It's good marketing. They make money, and that's all they can and should do. No, I'm simply labelling it for what it is - a money making exercise. There's zero moral reasoning behind what these businesses are doing, because they are businesses.
 
The business owner runs an eco-friendly business that is profitable. He runs Forest Green as a niche club to promote his brand. For him, it is worthwhile to absorb the costs of doing so at the club because it benefits his business portfolio elsewhere. It's an advertisement - no different to the oil brands stated above.

The minute, the very minute, the approach at Forest Green isn't cost-effective, it'll be changed. Dale Vince runs Forest Green the way it is, because it benefits the pockets of Dale Vince.

If you don't see it that way, you're the exact type of person he's marketing at, and you've fell for it.
Stop being so "woke" about people caring for the environment.
 
Stop being so "woke" about people caring for the environment.

Ah, I was unaware Dale Vince runs a non-profit at Ecotricity! There was me thinking he had revenues of nearly £200m!

Come on, it's a load of bollocks clearly. All of it is. If Dale Vince 'cared' about the environment for a millisecond beyond what it can do for him financially, he wouldn't be worth over £100m.

It's marketing; clever, subversive marketing, that's been done for decades.
 

See, this to me is fascinating - I'm more concerned at what compels you to protect businesses jumping on causes for marketing purposes.

In wrestling parlance, you're a "mark" - someone who has fell for their strategy because you don't understand the underpinning purpose of it.

But I'll answer you - I'm not attacking businesses for doing it. Hell, I'd do the same thing at any of these businesses. It's good marketing. They make money, and that's all they can and should do. No, I'm simply labelling it for what it is - a money making exercise. There's zero moral reasoning behind what these businesses are doing, because they are businesses.

Exactly, so why not put that to one side and either shrug shoulders and walk away or look at the issue the marketing is saying.

I haven't fell for anything, I know exactly what businesses are doing and their reasons behind it. It just doesn't wind me up, I am not 'protecting' businesses, I am just one person on an internet forum wondering why you are getting worked up by it.

This decision does not affect you, in a negative way, in reality, it doesn't affect anybody in a negative way. The only thing that could happen is neutral or positive for all parties, by that I mean the shareholders and the public. Why care so much about whether a few shareholders make some money.

We both know the real world but sometimes it is best to look at the message rather than the reason behind it.

I have a mate who runs a company dealing in the building of wind farms, I really hope that he is able to make money off it so he can feed his kids, in fact he has recently decided to be a major sponsor of Barrow football and has his company name on the back of the shirts. He has done it so he can promote his business and hopefully make more money so he can be able to give his kids a good education and way of life. Maybe, just maybe, he will be able to create a good nest egg for him and his family, all on the back of 'virtue signaling' on the back of his business model.
 
Ah, I was unaware Dale Vince runs a non-profit at Ecotricity! There was me thinking he had revenues of nearly £200m!

Come on, it's a load of bollocks clearly. All of it is. If Dale Vince 'cared' about the environment for a millisecond beyond what it can do for him financially, he wouldn't be worth over £100m.

It's marketing; clever, subversive marketing, that's been done for decades.
Ecotricity have actually lost money in the last two years worth of accounts.
 
Patagonia says hi.

Another example of a business whose altruistic practices are done to carve a niche and thus gain profit.

The owner is a billionaire due to those practices, which was the primary incentive of running the business, because it is indeed a business.

Also, Ecotricity losing money in the short term doesn't negate the point made - that it exists because it carved a niche to turn a profit. If these businesses weren't profitable, the owners wouldn't subsidise it for billions forevermore based solely on ethics.
 
Another example of a business whose altruistic practices are done to carve a niche and thus gain profit.

The owner is a billionaire due to those practices, which was the primary incentive of running the business, because it is indeed a business.

Also, Ecotricity losing money in the short term doesn't negate the point made - that it exists because it carved a niche to turn a profit. If these businesses weren't profitable, the owners wouldn't subsidise it for billions forevermore based solely on ethics.
Why do you care so much about whether a business makes profit or not? Of course every business is in business to make money. It's the same reason we all go to work - to make money. This is not anything earth shattering, so I'm not sure why you are so fixated by it.

But if someone intentionaly does something good for the environment or any other cause while they are making money, surely we should be aplauding them instead of going full tall poppy syndrome and shouting at clouds?
 

Why do you care so much about whether a business makes profit or not? Of course every business is in business to make money. It's the same reason we all go to work - to make money. This is not anything earth shattering, so I'm not sure why you are so fixated by it.

But if someone intentionaly does something good for the environment or any other cause while they are making money, surely we should be aplauding them instead of going full tall poppy syndrome and shouting at clouds?

Because it isn't done from the goodness of their own heart; it's done by subversive means for other ends.

There's nothing to applaud these businesses for, because it's just an element of a marketing/PR strategy, nothing else. If you want to applaud them for being a successful business, great; if you want to applaud them for 'doing something good', then you're a fool who has fell for tokenistic marketing strategy to disguise their actual motivations. It'd be like turning a blind eye to BP/Shell pumping oil in the oceans because they built a butterfly farm once.

That's why I have issues with it, because it allows the likes of Spurs to hide other things like trying to cut their least earning staffs wages by 20% during a pandemic. Or how Spurs owners ENIC Group regularly fly around in private jets. And so on.

And I say all that while admitting point blank I'd do the exact same thing as these people - I'd market to the gullible to hide the excess too. Doesn't mean I can't point it out.
 
Because it isn't done from the goodness of their own heart; it's done by subversive means for other ends.

There's nothing to applaud these businesses for, because it's just an element of a marketing/PR strategy, nothing else. If you want to applaud them for being a successful business, great; if you want to applaud them for 'doing something good', then you're a fool who has fell for tokenistic marketing strategy to disguise their actual motivations. It'd be like turning a blind eye to BP/Shell pumping oil in the oceans because they built a butterfly farm once.

That's why I have issues with it, because it allows the likes of Spurs to hide other things like trying to cut their least earning staffs wages by 20% during a pandemic. Or how Spurs owners ENIC Group regularly fly around in private jets. And so on.

And I say all that while admitting point blank I'd do the exact same thing as these people - I'd market to the gullible to hide the excess too. Doesn't mean I can't point it out.
I think you need a chill pill mate, you're getting overly wound up over this. As I said, I know the purpose of every business is to make money, there is nothing new or surprising in that. Some businesses will pretend they are a great corporate citizen. Again, nothing new there. If they do something bad, they deserve criticism and lost business. If they do something good, they should be given credit for that action.

Not everything has to be judged as part of a bigger picture, some actions can be judged on the merit of that action alone. If BP open a butterfly farm - great they deserve credit. For that action only. It doesn't mean we are ignoring the huge negative impact they have had on the planet. it just means that we are talking about their butterfly farm
 
Another example of a business whose altruistic practices are done to carve a niche and thus gain profit.

The owner is a billionaire due to those practices, which was the primary incentive of running the business, because it is indeed a business.

Also, Ecotricity losing money in the short term doesn't negate the point made - that it exists because it carved a niche to turn a profit. If these businesses weren't profitable, the owners wouldn't subsidise it for billions forevermore based solely on ethics.
So if a company earns money by being green, they're no better than companies that try and earn money by not being green, and the same applies if a company loses money by being green? It pretty much sounds like you don't approve of anyone trying to be green ever.
 
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