Southall
Player Valuation: £750k
Totally agree with you. I do think the formations at times Moyes sends out are far too predictive or negative, especially at home. Would love to know the stats on how many points we win when Ozzie plays...
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Totally agree with you. I do think the formations at times Moyes sends out are far too predictive or negative, especially at home. Would love to know the stats on how many points we win when Ozzie plays...
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Anustart
That table was in a piece the executioner's bong did a while ago. I think it only covers starts and only last season, but it's good at highlighting the impact Ossie had in comparison to Cahill.
Cena
Player Valuation: £70m
That table was in a piece the executioner's bong did a while ago. I think it only covers starts and only last season, but it's good at highlighting the impact Ossie had in comparison to Cahill.
Look at Rodwell on that list and people are sayin hes sh1te now
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Anustart
It's not concrete proof for a player being ace or not mate, what with it being a team game.
That said we had a great spell when Rodwell and Fellaini played in the 2 in a 4-2-3-1. That's why I'm hoping to see that again with Drenthe, Osman and Barkley ahead of them. That's a sensationally exciting, dynamic team.
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Anustart
I'd like to see the amount of appearances on that list RFUS....also, I'd like to see Howards stats as a control stat.
I think that's just for the league, that table. I'm not sure but I'm assuming it is. So in the league, Osman made 26 appearances and Cahill 27, so that's a good foundation for a comparison. The table only includes starts however.
It's not concrete though mate, but with Cahill at the bottom and Osman at the top it gives some weight to the notion that we're a better side without Cahill these days.
Our win without Neville is lower than it is with any other player, like. I only wish that surprised me.
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Anustart
We didn't play many games without Neville though to be fair.
I think Billycopper was right though that Neville does a good defensive shift in CM. The problem is when we have two out and out defensive players in CM. With the lack of options out wide it makes us a horrible side with no creativity.
He played 31 out of 38. That's seven games to judge on. And I'm pretty sure it's the same pattern for previous years, without him we don't win as often.
We're incapable of organising ourselves without Neville there if you ask me. It's a coaching problem. And one we need to solve fast because he's keep better footballing, creative, players out of the side and yet we can't drop him.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
We haven't played many games without Neville for a number of years, so it's very difficult to say. The only time he's been out the side for a period of time coincided with a number of different injuries to key players. The only player who genuinely gets to compete with him is Hibbert aswell, which speaks for itself really. The footballing world without Pip is a unknown quantity.
People said the same thing about Carsley, and after a sticky patch we ended up keep more keeping sheets and looking a hell of a lot better the following season after he moved to Birmingham. Nothing is a quick fix, and Phil Neville still has useful qualities, but I'm not sure he's as important as Moyes and certain sections of our fan base would have you believe. He's just all we know.
People said the same thing about Carsley, and after a sticky patch we ended up keep more keeping sheets and looking a hell of a lot better the following season after he moved to Birmingham. Nothing is a quick fix, and Phil Neville still has useful qualities, but I'm not sure he's as important as Moyes and certain sections of our fan base would have you believe. He's just all we know.
He missed a lot of the season before last and we were pretty awful when he wasn't there.
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Anustart
It is a coaching problem as AF says, in that we have this weird dependence on his 'leadership qualities'. It's all a bit cringeworthy if you ask me. These are highly paid professionals with a manager and an assistant manager shouting down their ear. They shouldn't need someone else to shout and point at them.
I just want him phased out now to be honest. Put a younger, better footballer in his position (be that DM or RB, or ideally both) and give them the time to make the role their own. Him getting a 2 year contract extension was, as Tubey as said, not the good news it was made out to be. I have nothing against Neville but he's a limited footballer on the decline. And it's not like we're short of fitter, younger, more talented players to take his place.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
I remember the period, but the likes of Arteta, Pienaar, Osman and a number of other players where also missing. We had Gosling and Cahill outwide from what I remember, terrible stuff, but hardly a fair indicator of his importance to the team. In the main he's averaged 30-45 starts a season, so it's very difficult to say really, we simply haven't seen enough of him out the side. Other players haven't been afforded the opportunities he has.
BiggyRat
Player Valuation: £35m
Fair comment. Don't necessarily disagree with the stats, just needed a basis for them. Cheers.
jsweeney17
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Go watch moneyball - or betters still read the book, and while you are at it soccernomics is a good read too. Neville is the type of player you want in and around the team, but not neccesarily for his ability. there is one at every club.
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