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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/11/french-police-detain-veil-protesters
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This won't end well.
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I totally agree with the French. They should be banned here also. If you want to wear one. Go live in a county where society demands them. Not Herr.
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Strange that we are so against a very small minority who overdress, while not worrying about those women who walk around the street practically naked. Strange priorities. And Sharpy et al, before you brand me part of the so called PC Brigade, my view is that I wouldn't ban them, but I would want to educate women out of not wearing them.
If I was to ban them, I'd only ban them in places such as Banks, Airports etc, which is what they do in Muslim Turkey.
British culture is strong enough to survive a few people wearing the Burka.
.....but if the British (I include all ethnicities in that term) are so insecure about their identity, then we have a real problem.
tricky one this , if they want to walk around in a burka fine ,but they should be made to take the face bit down when entering banks shops airports ect i mean if i walked into a bank with a face mask on there would be uproar,and even train stations can refuse to serve you if you have a hood up.there will be trouble in france now but anything upsets some muslims ,not all be any means but a very mouthy minority there is bound to be a backlash at some piont and this could just be the start.
Clint Planet
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No, I suspect not.
It is a complex issue, isn't it? A woman wearing a burka is hardly doing anyone any harm and in that sense this law has whiff of racism about it. That said, in the wider scheme of things, it seems pretty obvious to me that the dress code of modern arab culture is inherently sexist, even if many of the women feel strongly that they should have the right to cover themselves.
The problem is, we have to ask what this law is trying to achieve. If it is truly trying to bring about some form of emancipation then I think it will backfire. Attitudes will harden, and we will end up taking one step forward and two steps back.
Islam is a young religion and it is going through a brash, strident phase (though only a small minority of Muslims could ever be classed as extremists), just as Christianity did five or six hundred years ago. Ultimately, the hope - certainly amongst western liberal - is that the muslim world will become more fundamentally democratic and secular and that cultural anachronisms like the burka will become obsolete but this just isn't going to happen over night, no matter what people do or what laws governments pass. I believe confrontation with only serve to delay a shift in attitudes towards women in the arab world though. Tolerance - and patience - have to be the key.
EFCNIK
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They should be banned. Everywhere. Anyone could just dress up in a burkah, mug someone, and CCTV wouldnt pick it up. Not to mention the fact that I dont want to walk around in my own country and feel like im in Saudi Arabia. Name one prosperous Muslim state, and when I say prosperous, a high standard of living with civil human rights not just a few rich dodgy businessmen. The Burkah is not nessessary in Islam. No where does it say a woman has to wear one. It is a symbol of radical Islam, not nessessarily Muslims that want to go around blowing themselves up, but the kind of Islam that cannot fit in our society i.e oppressing of women etc etc. So anyone who thinks it is acceptable is either a) just a kopite b ) just special c) just in bieber
Clint Planet
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Yes, but do they?
EFCNIK
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It has happened in the past!! And anyway, that's just one situation which could happen. Its an unnessessary risk. Read the rest of my post laaa
EFCNIK
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And anyway why westerners feel the need to defend Islam is unbelievable to me. I mean fair enough you might not agree with the Burkah ban (**** knows why) but why activly argue for it! You think even the most moderate of Muslim's would defend the western way of life? I.e our right to wear **** all if we so please? Not likely. Wind it in.
I'm always uncomfortable about laws written by men which tell women what they can or can't wear.
Having said that, I'm glad Nik's told me that the western way of life is rampant nudism because I've always approved of that but was worried other people felt differently. Now I feel free to tear all my clothes off and walk naked to the bus stop, then perhaps vist a church and an old people's home. As I no longer live near any muslims, I'm glad to hear that noone will object.
Having said that, I'm glad Nik's told me that the western way of life is rampant nudism because I've always approved of that but was worried other people felt differently. Now I feel free to tear all my clothes off and walk naked to the bus stop, then perhaps vist a church and an old people's home. As I no longer live near any muslims, I'm glad to hear that noone will object.
And thats where I stopped reading, first of all you object to naked women, then you claim your not part of the PC brigade, when infact everybody knows you walk around with more Chips on your shoulder than a walking chip, eating chips in a chippy.
Clint Planet
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Oh shut up and read the rest of his post, you big ninny.
I'm against the obscuring the face via dress for two main reasons. The first is how socially detrimental it is (you simply can't talk to someone wearing this type of thing, in the same way you wouldn't talk to a guy wearing a balaclava whilst dressed in camouflage), but secondly - and perhaps more importantly - I'm against it because Islamic women are often made to wear it against their will, and have no say in the matter.
No matter whether you're pro- or anti-Islam in general, there's no denying that is a very male orientated social way of life, and we have different values in the western world. Therefore, due to there being no practical way to know for certain whether a woman is voluntarily wearing the burka or not, I support the outright ban of this and other similar types of clothing.
It's one of the rare occurrences where a ban actually promotes the free will of the people it affects. Sacrificing the burka will in turn provide greater freedoms for Islamic women.
No matter whether you're pro- or anti-Islam in general, there's no denying that is a very male orientated social way of life, and we have different values in the western world. Therefore, due to there being no practical way to know for certain whether a woman is voluntarily wearing the burka or not, I support the outright ban of this and other similar types of clothing.
It's one of the rare occurrences where a ban actually promotes the free will of the people it affects. Sacrificing the burka will in turn provide greater freedoms for Islamic women.
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