British - German Cup

RorySmith · July 19, 2016

British German Cup
My new idea is a British German Cup played between all the top division sides of the English Premier, and German Bundesliga who have not qualified for Europe. Plus all the teams of the Scottish Premier, and a selection of sides from the Welsh and Northern Irish Leagues.
Benefits for English and Germans
There are top teams in these countries who have not qualified for Europe for decades, this would guarantee they would get a replacement for European football. They would get the chance to play teams from outside their country, in competitive games. They would be able to win a cross border trophy. Without the teams in Europe representing them they would be able tow win a trophy. There is big rivallary between England and Germany, so this trophy would exploit that.
Benefits for my Scottish teams
Scottish clubs would love to get the chance to play big English and German sides, and to win a cross border cup.
Benefits for Welsh League and Northern Irish League sides
This would be like winning the lottery for Irish and Welsh clubs. They would be very grateful for this chance. So this would be a generous act of charity by English, ad German sides to play the far smaller Welsh and Irish League sides.
Organisation of cup
One leg rounds, where Welsh and Northern Irish teams have home advantage guaranteed to have cheaper travel costs. With even the final played at one of the participating teams stadiums. With home advantage decided by luck of the draw. Gate receipts and TV revenue are shared 50 - 50.
Arguments against my idea
Too many games
I disagree with this critic, as the English and German teams in the trophy would be the teams not in the Champions League or Europa League.
UEFA would not allow it.
Uefa have allowed the Sentanta Cup between League of Ireland and Northern Irish sides. Uefa have also given permission for Welsh and Northern Irish League sides to play in the Scottish lower division Irn Bru Cup
Attendances would be low
I admit in the early rounds attendances would be low but as teams progress they would get higher and higher crowds. And Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish League sides would get relatively big crowds against any German and English side
Players would play second teams in the trophy
I accept this would happen in the early rounds, but this is OK, as this happens in the FA Cup and League cup, with teams playing first teams as they trophy progresses. So in early rounds teams would give younger or fringe players a run out. So this is a good thing.
Glamour games
Celtic v Werder Bremen, Rangers v Liverpool, Hamburg v Sunderland, Chelsea v Augsburg.
This would be a glamorous cup that could get decent crowds in the later stages, Also we could have representative sides from Cornwall and the Isle of Man.
Diolch, merci beaucoup.
Thanks for reading. Up with the Dons of Aberdeen

degsy · July 19, 2016

Yeah really missed that Anglo - Italian Cup, wonder why it folded

ijjysmith · July 19, 2016

degsy said:
Yeah really missed that Anglo - Italian Cup, wonder why it folded

I always remember a really boss game in that between like Bari and I want to someone like Notts County where they all just ended up booting each other all over the pitch with like 8 red cards.

If they can guarantee that comes back I'm in.

summerisle · July 19, 2016

I seem to recall one season Tranmere qualified for The Anglo-Italian cup. That's how irrelevant it was. And so would this.

GerryandthePaceMerchants · July 19, 2016

Was great on the old champ mans to get involved in that.

Edit: VERY OLD

sageyefc · July 19, 2016

Tl;Dr

Caolam · July 19, 2016

In order to be successful a tournament has to have some importance. In terms of the Northern Ireland teams we already have 3 or 4 qualifying for Europe. They go into the qualifying rounds and usually end up playing some nondescript team from Azerbaijan. If the team who finished 5th in the league got a game against a good German side or English team they would do better than the top teams, I think the same goes for the Scottish and Welsh.
Another issue is that Premiership teams in the lower reaches tend to field weakened sides in the FA Cup or League Cup so will they want to be coming to Co. Fermanagh to play Ballinamallard in mid week when they need 3 points at the weekend.

bflefc · July 19, 2016

Is this your summer school project?

RorySmith · July 19, 2016

Accepting your critics of my idea. I know big teams would play weak teams in the early rounds, but that happens in the FA and League Cups, but by the time final comes round they still get 80,000 fans in Wembley and the first teams playing.
Plus in the early rounds fringe players and young players would get more run outs which would be good for developing players for the first teams.
Imagine this season Everton playing Werder Bremen, or Hamburg. It would be a great game. The chance to play non English sides for a change.

toffeejack · July 19, 2016

why is it called a british german cup when not all the entrants are ... oh wait

roydo · July 19, 2016

RorySmith said:
My new idea

What, like "New" as in since you invented the Gold Welsh Cup or whatever it was called?

dead_soft · July 19, 2016

Terrible idea.

Also, 'There is big rivallary [sic] between England and Germany, so this trophy would exploit that.' - I can just see police forces in Germany and Britain loving that idea.