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Arsenal F.C. vs. F.C. Barcelona

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Argentina do have some phenomenal players though.

To be able to call up Tevez, Aguero, Higuain, Milito, Messi, Lisandro et al is amazing. I cant believe they're struggling. Put any three of those up front together and they should destroy most defences. It doesn't really make sense.
 

Argentina do have some phenomenal players though.

To be able to call up Tevez, Aguero, Higuain, Milito, Messi, Lisandro et al is amazing. I cant believe they're struggling. Put any three of those up front together and they should destroy most defences. It doesn't really make sense.

I think that says it all about international football. Even looking at the class that England have to call on, the standard of the game is nothing on the Champions League.
 
Don't know if I agree with that. Messi is completely man-marked out of games when playing for Argentina as the rest of the midfield can't create space for him. Messi then (showing incredible footballing intelligence) spends entire games making dummy runs and dragging defenders out way wide to create space of the likes of Angel Dí Maria.

He may not be showing his skills on the ball, but his running is always sublime for Argentina. Doubt that the current Argentina side is anything on Maradona's though.

If Messi is man marked out of games for Argentina it sort of contradicts your previous point about the top CL teams being where the pinnacle of world football is at when he's knocking four past a near competitor in one game.

The 86' Argentina side was not one of the better Argie national sides. For that reason it's a good comparison.
 
Still not yet, as the d to the k said he's playing in a great team, unlike the Napoli one which Maradona won almost single handed the Scudetto for.

He's got the potential to mentioned in the same breath but he's got some way to go yet. Modern day belters over hype just about everything.

with copious amounts of scicilian foxtrot juice up his conk, and more pressure being applied before the game than during it ? that team went out on the pitch unable to lose once the locals had spoken to people.
 
It is very difficult to compare, as then and now are very different. You watch the 86 'hand of cocaine' game, and an England defender cuts him in half, what would and should be a red card today. Diego 'crack pipe' Maradona grew up playing in a more physical league where "revenge was got in first" and that carried on in Spain and Italy. Messi is protected now, the little drug mule must have had knees of steel and calfs of tungsten to survive, not seen Messi dropped once properly. Protected (Like we saw every week with C.Ronaldo in the PL) in Spain, which is a bit like Scotland in that it is a two horse league and the difference in quality from top through the middle to the bottom is so vast I suspect the Barca/Real B-sides could do the business versus 50% of the league.
Lets say Messi inspires Argentina to the World Cup this summer, admittedly it will be some feat with that dope fiend hep C'd to the eye balls maniac in charge, but can it compare to winning it almost single handed with the physical rigours and refereeing disasters of the 80's for instance.

End of the day, so long as he keeps producing, in years to come and the decades thereafter Messi will be revered and saluted along with the best there have been and pass into folklore. Shearer is a modern great, Dalglish a wonder of the 70's, our (and the) Holy Trinity of the 60's. Every generation has its icons, Messi looks to be going on to cut his path in the history books, shame it is for such a team of cheating, diving, handball (Henry!), fake card waving snides to ever proclaim themselves a cut above.
 

Turned off after 3rd goal. How'd he score the fourth?

Basically picked up the ball from a pass by Xavi I think, mugged off Vermaelen and Sagna turning in and out, shot saved by Almunia, ball came back to him and he slipped it through his legs.

Someone should've put a foot in, but they looked knackered and he took the piss.
 
Don't know if I agree with that. Messi is completely man-marked out of games when playing for Argentina as the rest of the midfield can't create space for him. Messi then (showing incredible footballing intelligence) spends entire games making dummy runs and dragging defenders out way wide to create space of the likes of Angel Dí Maria.

He may not be showing his skills on the ball, but his running is always sublime for Argentina. Doubt that the current Argentina side is anything on Maradona's though.

Pele used to get kicked out of every international game he played it...more often than not though he would have the last laugh.
 
He's double man-marked and his team-mates struggle to take advantage. Unlike when he's playing with Barcelona where if a team overplays on Messi, then Iniesta makes a run and gets into space or Ibrahimovic drops off into the hole and then Messi gets to show his quality in possession.

I don't think it contradicts my opinion that international football isn't up to top CL standards.

I'm sure you've played a competitive sport before, and you know that if you're playing against a one-man team that if you apply enough pressure and move enough defenders to stop a player, and if you try hard enough you can always take a player out of a game if you want to, then you are creating a weakness in your team which can be exploited. For Argentina this isn't exploited and teams get away with marking him out of the game. Whereas in the CL, teams can't overplay Messi or they'll expose themself to Ibrahimovic. Or Iniesta. Or Xavi. Or Henr......
 

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