Another slant on the defence

[kiss the crest]

Every Tom dick and Harry has questioned Evertons defending of late, where Martinez has been slated and can't organise a defence etc.

Let's look at the 3 goals conceded on sat.

1st goal Jags and Howard were to blame for that one, yes I know Howard bottled it.

2nd goal a wicked deflection, no blame there other than maybe getting out to the player quicker?

3rd goal defence done their job, all moved forward putting Terry in offside position.

As Martinez has said we won that game only for the bent ref saying otherwise, that performance deserved the 3pts, to see Terry and the rent boys celebrating like that shows how far the champions have fallen and how much we have grown.

 

[BlueToff]

Every Tom [Poor language removed] and Harry has questioned Evertons defending of late, where Martinez has been slated and can't organise a defence etc.

Let's look at the 3 goals conceded on sat.

1st goal Jags and Howard were to blame for that one, yes I know Howard bottled it.

2nd goal a wicked deflection, no blame there other than maybe getting out to the player quicker?

3rd goal defence done their job, all moved forward putting Terry in offside position.

As Martinez has said we won that game only for the bent ref saying otherwise, that performance deserved the 3pts, to see Terry and the rent boys celebrating like that shows how far the champions have fallen and how much we have grown.

Totally agree here, and it's what I was saying in the match thread when people were slating our defence. You need a bit of luck and on Saturday we got none.

 

[ijjysmith]

Don't agree at all sadly.

We were royally screwed by the officials without any question, but we still gave a 2-0 away by not being able to defend a lead.

Whether it was a deflection or not, they were still there to score the first equaliser.

 

[mkrudden]

Don't agree at all sadly.

We were royally screwed by the officials without any question, but we still gave a 2-0 away by not being able to defend a lead.

Whether it was a deflection or not, they were still there to score the first equaliser.

Ijj you can't expect us to go to Chelsea and stop them shooting, surely? Fabregas (I think) took a punt and it hit our defender in the spot which sends it into the opposite corner.
We then scored a third. Within the laws of the game. Chelsea didn't. Is that our defenders fault too?

 

[ijjysmith]

Ijj you can't expect us to go to Chelsea and stop them shooting, surely? Fabregas (I think) took a punt and it hit our defender in the spot which sends it into the opposite corner.
We then scored a third. Within the laws of the game. Chelsea didn't. Is that our defenders fault too?

Probably not. But we'd done a pretty good job of it up to that point.

I have to repeat, we were screwed by the officials, there's no doubt on that at all, i just hope we could defend a lead better before hand.

 

[mkrudden]

Probably not. But we'd done a pretty good job of it up to that point.

I have to repeat, we were screwed by the officials, there's no doubt on that at all, i just hope we could defend a lead better before hand.

First goal, no question. And if anything that gave them the belief to come at us and swarm.

The second and third though, Christ that's bad luck.

You working from home today btw? Chuck us some transfer percentages later yeh? Good manf.

 

[Pabbers]

Martinez said we wont run out the clock and waste time to win games, as its not the way he way he wants to win....BUT had he just added this ONLY to our play, we would be 7 points better off.

Its that simple.

 

[mkrudden]

Probably not. But we'd done a pretty good job of it up to that point.

I have to repeat, we were screwed by the officials, there's no doubt on that at all, i just hope we could defend a lead better before hand.

First goal, no question. And if anything that gave them the belief to come at us and swarm.

The second and third though, Christ that's bad luck.

You working from home today btw? Chuck us some transfer percentages later yeh? Good manf.

 

[ijjysmith]

First goal, no question. And if anything that gave them the belief to come at us and swarm.

The second and third though, Christ that's bad luck.

You working from home today btw? Chuck us some transfer percentages later yeh? Good manf.

I'll do some later mate for sure. Just doing the calculations!

I'm no beleiver in luck though sadly. Whatever happens is for a reason, even if it's a crap one. For me at least, at 2-0 we see it out. Well, we don't. But you know what i mean.

 

[mkrudden]

Martinez said we wont run out the clock and waste time to win games, as its not the way he way he wants to win....BUT had he just added this ONLY to our play, we would be 7 points better off.

Its that simple.

It isn't mate.
It's as simple as going to Chelsea and scoring more goals within the rules of the game than them. And we did.

Terry might as well have been 25 yards offside. It shouldn't have counted

 

[Khalekan]

Every Tom [Poor language removed] and Harry has questioned Evertons defending of late, where Martinez has been slated and can't organise a defence etc.

Let's look at the 3 goals conceded on sat.

1st goal Jags and Howard were to blame for that one, yes I know Howard bottled it.

2nd goal a wicked deflection, no blame there other than maybe getting out to the player quicker?

3rd goal defence done their job, all moved forward putting Terry in offside position.

As Martinez has said we won that game only for the bent ref saying otherwise, that performance deserved the 3pts, to see Terry and the rent boys celebrating like that shows how far the champions have fallen and how much we have grown.

Total agreement.

There was a knee-jerk perk reaction here after the game but when you look back, there was not a lot wrong with our defending.

That first goal.......we had been controlling the game after the second goal and they were reduced to lumping the ball long from their own half toward an isolated striker.

Jags deals with that and we go on to win at a canter.....probably with a clean sheet.

The other goals, as you say, were the result of a freak deflection and a bad linesman call.

 

[Pabbers]

It isn't mate.
It's as simple as going to Chelsea and scoring more goals within the rules of the game than them. And we did.

Terry might as well have been 25 yards offside. It shouldn't have counted

Explain the other points we have lost in injury time mate ??

Our all out attack is always going to concede goals, and im fine with that as long as we are scoring more.....Bournmouth, Stoke and Chelsea games....in injury time....a punt into the corner or running it into the flag would have won us more points.

 

[bicycleheader]

I think its a bit of all the above. They are not all mutually exclusive.

We were hard done by what seems was poor officiating, although I am not 100% sure it was the outrageously bad decision people think it was.

We shot ourselves in the foot at 2-0 when we would have been in control against a poor Chelsea team. This is all about the first goal, cant say too much about the second. However it is down to Jags and Howard on the defensive decision making. Martinez to blame only for picking a keeper in declining form.

Its a fair shout if Martinez is being honest about not running the clock down. I dont agree with that. However I dont agree we didnt do our bit in injury time. We cleared our lines ok. I would like to have our manager and our other players roaring at Del to keep hold of that ball at the end.

I think our defensive shape when without the ball was good again as it has been in recent games. Two good banks of 4. Players covering each other. The fantastic Barry covering almost every attempt to get between those lines centrally.

Personally for me the key to not winning that game lies at the feet of our captain for not learning from an error that he has repeated numerous times for us.

 

[Khalekan]

Martinez said we wont run out the clock and waste time to win games, as its not the way he way he wants to win....BUT had he just added this ONLY to our play, we would be 7 points better off.

Its that simple.

I make two dropped on Saturday as the only examples of us losing points due to not running the clock down.

Are there other instances of it happening this season?

 

[OneTrueLegend]

I think when you look at how many times we have had a lead and seen it pegged back this season, people are looking for reason. Over the course of the year I think it has been a case of individual errors letting us down. But part of this is brought on by how we play. We are very open, at times we have a comfortable lead, like 2-0 at Chelsea, and from a long punt down field, confusion and indecision, they are back in the game. (individual error)

Earlier in the season, when we played Sunderland at home, we were 2-0 up after about half an hour. some managers at this point would have shut up shop, kept possession, been compact and conservatively, counter attacked. But we didn't, we played open they got it back to 2-2, luckily they were terrible and we still won 6-2. This was partly down to Kone playing very well, partly down to Sunderland looking like a pub side at the back.

Martinez style of play is kind of "Win or Bust" I don't think we will often play out a 1-0 win, more likely a 3-2