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I have to start off by brown nosing this site and its mods. I've genuinely not found the level of humour or insight on any other site, be it footy or anything else for that matter.

On this day, some years ago, a young man of 18 chose to kill himself. He was found swinging from a metal hook in the old docks in Portsmouth. He was an ex student of mine who had found it impossible to live with the "shame" of being gay and couldn't face telling his family.

Over the years, I've often thought how I could have made his life a bit easier.

So, here's how it goes. You go out and, for whatever reason, you hold your partner's hand. You come out of a particular nightclub; you sit down on a public bench. And you can bet your bottom dollar there'll be some wit / outraged citizen / bigot ready to offer shouted advice about your proclivities; or a brick thrown at your back.

After a while you get the picture that quite a lot of people don't like you because of what you are. You might turn to self harm, drugs or drink. You might try to destroy yourself.

Because you're gay, you're not really allowed to like footy: lace, quiche and a a quick game of badminton are what you're supposed to like. You are boxed in by people's expectations.

So for the sake of Adrian Cooper, his family and friends, here's a thought: the word "gay" as an expression of poor, sissy, or stupid, is unacceptable. It's the equivalent of the "N" word in racism.

The use of the words fag or faggots is also unacceptable. (Unless we choose to use it in which case it's funny.)

Why?

Because it builds up in the minds of teenagers a picture that "this" is acceptable / normal and "that" is laughable / wrong. And kids are impressionable.

It might be your brother or sister, child or grandkid. Please, think before you write.
 

Warning: if you don't cope well with raw emotion, look away now!

So for the sake of Adrian Cooper, his family and friends, here's a thought: the word "gay" as an expression of poor, sissy, or stupid, is unacceptable. It's the equivalent of the "N" word in racism.

The use of the words [Poor language removed] or faggots is also unacceptable. (Unless we choose to use it in which case it's funny.)

Why?

Because it builds up in the minds of teenagers a picture that "this" is acceptable / normal and "that" is laughable / wrong. And kids are impressionable.

It might be your brother or sister, child or grandkid. Please, think before you write.


I don't really hold with not using the word gay to mean something is poor or wrong. My nephew once said to me "well that was gay" at the final whistle of a game in which we lost. There's been other occasions when I've heard people say similar stuff. It might be my age, but I see nothing wrong in that; and I certainly don't see it as the same as using the 'N' word. The word has been used to describe different things over the years such as happy, promiscuous, homosexual, etc. The use of some words evolve and get used differently by different generations.

Watching what you say in front of others is something I certainly agree with. There is a person I know who had three children (adults now), and she would forever be going on about 'Q's this and Q's that', with no concern for the fact that they were growing up listening to this. Every time there was someone on TV that may have been a little effeminate, or she just didn't like the look of, she'd be off: "He's a f***king Q him. Can't stand them" etc. In the end I said to her that it may not be such a great idea to carry on like that, regardless of her feelings toward homosexuals. I then pointed out that if one of her children grows up feeling confused about their sexuality, or actually knowing that they are homosexual and wanting to talk about it; they may not exactly feel comfortable, or able, to talk to her, their own Mother. She was having none of it of course, and said they would be out the door if any of them 'turn Q'. What annoyed me was that my mate (the husband) just didn't want to confront her about it, even though I know he wasn't happy with her carry on.


F@@k me, I really do go on and on. Damn, I need to find a way to keep my post short and to the point :(
 
I don't really hold with not using the word gay to mean something is poor or wrong. My nephew once said to me "well that was gay" at the final whistle of a game in which we lost. There's been other occasions when I've heard people say similar stuff. It might be my age, but I see nothing wrong in that; and I certainly don't see it as the same as using the 'N' word. The word has been used to describe different things over the years such as happy, promiscuous, homosexual, etc. The use of some words evolve and get used differently by different generations.

Watching what you say in front of others is something I certainly agree with. There is a person I know who had three children (adults now), and she would forever be going on about 'Q's this and Q's that', with no concern for the fact that they were growing up listening to this. Every time there was someone on TV that may have been a little effeminate, or she just didn't like the look of, she'd be off: "He's a f***king Q him. Can't stand them" etc. In the end I said to her that it may not be such a great idea to carry on like that, regardless of her feelings toward homosexuals. I then pointed out that if one of her children grows up feeling confused about their sexuality, or actually knowing that they are homosexual and wanting to talk about it; they may not exactly feel comfortable, or able, to talk to her, their own Mother. She was having none of it of course, and said they would be out the door if any of them 'turn Q'. What annoyed me was that my mate (the husband) just didn't want to confront her about it, even though I know he wasn't happy with her carry on.


F@@k me, I really do go on and on. Damn, I need to find a way to keep my post short and to the point :(

Absolutely no need to apologise for the length of your response, which I found to be considered and rational.

I guess that my point, cut as short as it can be, is this: kids pick up a lot from the "mood music" around them. I'd hope that the music is supportive rather than a subject for humour or condemnation.

When I was a kid, the "N" word was as common as chips in a newspaper. I hope that one day, the word "Gay" is applied as a purely descriptive term rather than one of contempt. If limiting people's vocabulary is the price to be paid for fewer self harm victims, for me, so be it.
 

Warning: if you don't cope well with raw emotion, look away now!

I have to start off by brown nosing this site and its mods. I've genuinely not found the level of humour or insight on any other site, be it footy or anything else for that matter.

On this day, some years ago, a young man of 18 chose to kill himself. He was found swinging from a metal hook in the old docks in Portsmouth. He was an ex student of mine who had found it impossible to live with the "shame" of being gay and couldn't face telling his family.

Over the years, I've often thought how I could have made his life a bit easier.

So, here's how it goes. You go out and, for whatever reason, you hold your partner's hand. You come out of a particular nightclub; you sit down on a public bench. And you can bet your bottom dollar there'll be some wit / outraged citizen / bigot ready to offer shouted advice about your proclivities; or a brick thrown at your back.

After a while you get the picture that quite a lot of people don't like you because of what you are. You might turn to self harm, drugs or drink. You might try to destroy yourself.

Because you're gay, you're not really allowed to like footy: lace, quiche and a a quick game of badminton are what you're supposed to like. You are boxed in by people's expectations.

So for the sake of Adrian Cooper, his family and friends, here's a thought: the word "gay" as an expression of poor, sissy, or stupid, is unacceptable. It's the equivalent of the "N" word in racism.

The use of the words [Poor language removed] or faggots is also unacceptable. (Unless we choose to use it in which case it's funny.)

Why?

Because it builds up in the minds of teenagers a picture that "this" is acceptable / normal and "that" is laughable / wrong. And kids are impressionable.

It might be your brother or sister, child or grandkid. Please, think before you write.

I don't really hold with not using the word gay to mean something is poor or wrong. My nephew once said to me "well that was gay" at the final whistle of a game in which we lost. There's been other occasions when I've heard people say similar stuff. It might be my age, but I see nothing wrong in that; and I certainly don't see it as the same as using the 'N' word. The word has been used to describe different things over the years such as happy, promiscuous, homosexual, etc. The use of some words evolve and get used differently by different generations.

Watching what you say in front of others is something I certainly agree with. There is a person I know who had three children (adults now), and she would forever be going on about 'Q's this and Q's that', with no concern for the fact that they were growing up listening to this. Every time there was someone on TV that may have been a little effeminate, or she just didn't like the look of, she'd be off: "He's a f***king Q him. Can't stand them" etc. In the end I said to her that it may not be such a great idea to carry on like that, regardless of her feelings toward homosexuals. I then pointed out that if one of her children grows up feeling confused about their sexuality, or actually knowing that they are homosexual and wanting to talk about it; they may not exactly feel comfortable, or able, to talk to her, their own Mother. She was having none of it of course, and said they would be out the door if any of them 'turn Q'. What annoyed me was that my mate (the husband) just didn't want to confront her about it, even though I know he wasn't happy with her carry on.


F@@k me, I really do go on and on. Damn, I need to find a way to keep my post short and to the point :(

Put these two posts together and you pretty much get my stance on the subject.

Having said that, I also believe that we should be able to apply humour to every subject matter regardless of the sensitivities involved, provided that we are aware of when something stops being funny and starts to become offensive.

A fairly light hearted example of this would be the homoerotic undertones on this site - it's not intended to ridicule being gay however it is adding humour to sexuality. In my opinion this helps to normalise the fact that some people have a different sexual orientation to others and the more it enters into everyday conversation (in a non discriminatory or offensive manner) the less likely we are to ridicule someone for being 'different' when we encounter them in real life.



Tl;dr: fancy a bum?
 
Put these two posts together and you pretty much get my stance on the subject.

Having said that, I also believe that we should be able to apply humour to every subject matter regardless of the sensitivities involved, provided that we are aware of when something stops being funny and starts to become offensive.

A fairly light hearted example of this would be the homoerotic undertones on this site - it's not intended to ridicule being gay however it is adding humour to sexuality. In my opinion this helps to normalise the fact that some people have a different sexual orientation to others and the more it enters into everyday conversation (in a non discriminatory or offensive manner) the less likely we are to ridicule someone for being 'different' when we encounter them in real life.



Tl;dr: fancy a bum?
Indeed. Some people actually think you aren't my sub bondage gimp who lives in my shed.
 
Put these two posts together and you pretty much get my stance on the subject.

Having said that, I also believe that we should be able to apply humour to every subject matter regardless of the sensitivities involved, provided that we are aware of when something stops being funny and starts to become offensive.

A fairly light hearted example of this would be the homoerotic undertones on this site - it's not intended to ridicule being gay however it is adding humour to sexuality. In my opinion this helps to normalise the fact that some people have a different sexual orientation to others and the more it enters into everyday conversation (in a non discriminatory or offensive manner) the less likely we are to ridicule someone for being 'different' when we encounter them in real life.



Tl;dr: fancy a bum?

Always, my angel.
 

Always, my angel.
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Think I can help add a word of explanation here. The O P is a silly old tart / piece of filth (you choose: I've used both!) but he does have a record of standing up for people in a poor social position. I've been in A & E when he's had to have stitches because of an attack.

Pretty simple really. If you want / need to insult someone, there's usually better ways of doing it than by invoking sexuality.
 

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