A serious thread... no, straight up, am being serious.

[GrandOldTeam]

Heres a rarity lads, a topic of serious discussion

Immigration.

Views on this?

Personally, I think the UK should adopt a system similar to Canada's, only allowing permanent access to those who can help aid the economy.

*expects 0 replys*

 

[SuitsBlue]

what an interesting and relevant subject. i wonder what prompted you to post it.

unfortunatley the subject is so full of lies and counter lies that getting accurate facts is difficult (go check the stories about the numbers of asylum seekers, failed asylum seekers, individuals living in britain illegally, and the number of foreign nationals in british prisons)

on a distant but related note, why was it that on the recent (ish) cencus putting ENGLISH as your nationality wasnt an option (or even allowed)

Anyway, britain like every other developed country has a duty to help genuine refugees and individuals that are being persecuted in their native countries. At the same time the massive skills shortages and the pensions fiasco can only start to be corrected with immigrants - ie foreign workers that can ply their trade in britain.

I draw the line at letting foreign criminals into britain, and if a foreign national commits SERIOUS crime in britain, there should be no prison or appeals, just expulsion. (oh, im not too happy about health tourists either)

 

[Rob]

on the question of duty, why do we have a duty to accept people into a country?

Know the language, know the country, are useful or necessary to the country these are reasons.

 

[SuitsBlue]

because we cant turn our backs on people being massacred because of the colour of their skin, which god they worship, or if they have a big nose.(- see concentration camps in 40's germany)

i am not suggesting britain accepts every last person, simply a fair percentage along with france, germany, belgium, spain.

but this is where it gets a bit 'airy fairy'

 

[Rob]

well, If we didn't turn our backs then we would have the population of rougly half of Africa.. so how can we be so selective?

 

[SuitsBlue]

i dont quite follow.

are you suggesting that britain would have a population number of about 50% that of the population (number) of africa, or that 50% of the african population would have moved to britain.

firstly, not all of africa is in dire straits. secondly, a lot of 'foreign nationals' entering britain now are eastern european.

i think we need to look at why britain is such a fantastic place to live, or are least why it is such a fantastic place to thrive.

at the same time, understanding why 'foreign nationals' dont want to live in their country of origin should be taken into account.

there are genuine refugees, liar refugees, and economic refugees. unfortunatley because countries arent working together and sharing information, differentiating is difficult next to nigh on impossible.

 

[blarg]

I've been an immigrant twice (Australia, and France). Freedom of movement is great for me.

Sooner this planet gets over its social and economic hang ups and is able to support freedom of movement for everyboody, the better. Lifes too short to be hanging around the same place.

Unfortunately the human race is far, far from being able to do that, so I don't know what the answer is.

I wonder what the figures are for people entering and exiting the UK are. I'm amazed at the number of people I've met (albeit on forums) who want out of the UK.

 

[SuitsBlue]

i'd find it difficult to say no to moving to the costa del britain, along with the other 2 million brits already there. especially as a lot of previously german owned villas have recently come onto the market.

and if i had a worth while trade, australia is a good place to move out too as well. with regards aus, they are quite strict about previous criminal behaviour/convictions arent they?

 

[blarg]

Yep. But they take the whole application in to consideration as a whole. When I emmigrated there, I fell short on a couple of items, but made up for it in others. I think they take each case on its own merits rather than follow a list strictly to the letter.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Sooner this planet gets over its social and economic hang ups and is able to support freedom of movement for everyboody, the better. Lifes too short to be hanging around the same place.

Agreed. But I said "only allowing permanent access to those who can help aid the economy."

Let as many tourists in as possible, for say, 4~6 months. Let them stay permanently if they can offer anything beneficial to society, rather than just adding to housing shortages, NHS waiting lists... you know the rest.

 

[blarg]

I'm thinking of a world wide government where all man made boundaries are done away with, leaving people to go where they want. Same benefit system, same tax system etc etc. That would be the ultimate, mankind working together. Think of the amount of money saved on warfare and destrcution.

It's an ideal. Maybe one day it might come together. Perhaps in 1000 years where there will have been so much inter racial breeding, there will be no black and white anymore. Might write a book about this.

I guess I should be in Star Trek.

 

[Dylan]

I can actually add no value to this thread, so I won't. If you were talking about it in relation to the US, then yes, I might throw in the 2cents.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I can actually add no value to this thread, so I won't. If you were talking about it in relation to the US, then yes, I might throw in the 2cents.

Its immigration in general mate. The US obviously cannot be to strict with their policy for obvious reasons

 

[Dylan]

But they are getting stricter as we speak. They are ramping up the numbers in the border patrol, to try and prevent as many illegals entering from Mexico (A guy I worked with just left on Thursday to join the border patrol in Texas). They are currently offering an amnesty for current illegals (though it isn't officially called an amnesty) but there are proposals out to make it harder to gain citizenship.

Some people see it as a problem, others don't. This is an area I am in the middle on, straying from the current administrations views, but I applaud them for actually taking action, unlike the Democrats who would basically open the borders.

The Mexicans who cross illegally are integral to the country. They work longer for less. If those fruit farms in California had to pay everybody minimum wage, fruit would be far more expensive.

The clamp downs going on right now are not really to stop these Mexicans (although they are caught up in it) it is supposedly to be to stop terrorists from entering the country easily. They know airports and ports are well guarded, so they fly to Mexico and cross the border by private vehicle. That is what is being targeted primarily. And it does need addressing.

 

[Hayee]

i dont mind imigrants who come to the country and work for their money, i HATE immigrants who come over here and scrounge off our tax payers, we should adopt the american policy