40 points

[carlos_the_jackal]

It seems some blues wish Moyes would get whipped up and carried away with the hysteria amongst some earlier in the season just because we beat United and dicked Villa and Swansea.

 

[Essex Blue]

Im not having a go mate but this is typical of most Evertonians. The on the field stuff (when its good) clouds over and acts as a smoke screen for the utter ****e thats going on off the field. How can you say we as a club are not in a precarious position, yet in the same sentence explain how we have to sell a player or two to balance the books ??

I don't mean to sound drastic and a miserable prick but lets not forget that even though we are playing some great football, our club is in the financial **** mate.

I disagree mate. It is ironic because both Kenwright and the various pressure groups are both so incredibly desperate to convince Evertonians that we are in a drastic amount of financial difficulty. The reason they do this is because it suits both of their agendas for that supposedly being the case, and yet there is actually very little evidence of it being true.

We were granted an overdraft, we spent most of it, and then the bank asked for it back. It’s not exactly unheard of is it? Not only that, but whilst we were under pressure to pay the overdraft back for a short while, the pressure was relieved quickly through selling a few players. When the value of your assets far outweigh your debts to creditors then you aren’t in a precarious situation at all really, are you?

Not only that, but a whole new load of revenue is on its way. Everton FC could become a profitable business within the next two years if the directors wanted to. Instead, their dilemma is going to revolve around how they should go about spending their new found revenue.

20 years of financial dire straits and not a single defaulted payment? Not very likely IMO.

 

[Essex Blue]

It seems some blues wish Moyes would get whipped up and carried away with the hysteria amongst some earlier in the season just because we beat United and dicked Villa and Swansea.

I just want him to stop harping on about relegation battles from 10 years ago mate. I don't think that really constitutes getting carried away or being a victim of hysteria.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I just want him to stop harping on about relegation battles from 10 years ago mate. I don't think that really constitutes getting carried away or being a victim of hysteria.

When was the last time he harped on about a relegation battle?

 

[Mrk]

I can't agree that interviews with the manager are irrelevant. The best managers use them as a means of influencing people, whether it be the fans, the players, the referee or the opposition. They are supposed to be an insight into the manager's outlook and perspective.

I just want him to STOP harping on about relegation battles from 10 years ago. Why does he do it? IMO it is his way of 'managing' expectations by keeping expectations low. For me this represents a very negative, small club attitude, that is used to try and take pressure off himself.

I don't believe our financial situation is anywhere near as precarious as people make out. I've been hearing it for 20 years, yet we have never defaulted on a single payment. When the bank has demanded the repayment of what was an authorised overdraft, we simply sold a few players and we were sound. With the new revenue on its way, Everton aren't in a precarious situation at all. In fact, the directors' biggest dilemma is going to be how they go about spending their new found revenue.

There really is no need for Moyes to keep referring to relegation battles from 10 years ago. It's every bit as ridiculous as Howard Kendall talking about our 1987 championship winning squad when we were battling relegation in 1997. Kendall didn't actually do this, but if he did, he would have been every bit as ridiculous as Moyes harping on about relegation in 2012.

I think you're being oversensitive - what Moyes says in press conferences has little or no impact on how well the club performs - it really isn't relevant at all.

And I think the idea that we're not in a precarious position is naive, we lose money every season, our owner has no money and we have a stadium that doesn't provide anywhere near enough revenue. Don't let good times on the pitch hide that.

 

[Essex Blue]

When was the last time he harped on about a relegation battle?

Immediately after the QPR game.

 

[Essex Blue]

I think you're being oversensitive - what Moyes says in press conferences has little or no impact on how well the club performs - it really isn't relevant at all.

And I think the idea that we're not in a precarious position is naive, we lose money every season, our owner has no money and we have a stadium that doesn't provide anywhere near enough revenue. Don't let good times on the pitch hide that.

Well it's clear that we will continue to disagree on the importance and relevance of interviews with football managers.

I personally believe that the '5million pound losses' have been repaid, those 5million pound losses were racked up through making use of an overdraft facility IMO. An overdraft facility that has mostly been repaid.

I would be a bit shocked if the 5 million pound losses have been allowed to continue, but if it is still happening, then they will be more than covered by our bumper new revenue in a couple of years time.

 

[Blue Truth]

we shouldnt be aiming for mediocrity

 

[blue4eva77]

I disagree mate. It is ironic because both Kenwright and the various pressure groups are both so incredibly desperate to convince Evertonians that we are in a drastic amount of financial difficulty. The reason they do this is because it suits both of their agendas for that supposedly being the case, and yet there is actually very little evidence of it being true.

We were granted an overdraft, we spent most of it, and then the bank asked for it back. It’s not exactly unheard of is it? Not only that, but whilst we were under pressure to pay the overdraft back for a short while, the pressure was relieved quickly through selling a few players. When the value of your assets far outweigh your debts to creditors then you aren’t in a precarious situation at all really, are you?

Not only that, but a whole new load of revenue is on its way. Everton FC could become a profitable business within the next two years if the directors wanted to. Instead, their dilemma is going to revolve around how they should go about spending their new found revenue.

20 years of financial dire straits and not a single defaulted payment? Not very likely IMO.

Why are we selling players though ??

If you have to sell your best assets every year or two to balance the books or relieve some pressure from the banks, that would qualify as a precarious position for me ??!.... Does it not you ?

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

I honestly don't understand how any fan doesn't accept the fact we are in a precarious position financially, it's a give fact we are.

Just treading water balancing the books by selling our best players or young up and comers is not what a club of our size should be doing.

On top of that we are in the red and on top of that we desperately need to sort the ground situation out, GP is just not viable anymore, whether or not this is why we can't attract investment i don't know only the board can answer(or not) that.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Immediately after the QPR game.

In what context was that mentioned???

 

[Essex Blue]

In what context was that mentioned???

We have just drawn against QPR but it doesn't matter because we were fighting relegation not so long ago. That type of context.

But when he says "not so long ago", he actually means 10 years ago, when Robbie Williams was considered to be the sexiest man alive.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

David Moyes 23rd September 2012 :

I’m not an optimist]

The first thing is always to get 40 points and get yourself safe, so I don’t want to get carried away too quickly.â€￾

Found after a google search for "David Moyes 40 point", the 3rd result.

Also searched for were "Arsene Wenger 40 points", "Alan Pardew 40 points" and "Andre Villas Boas 40 points" because they're the managers who are probably are mani challengers for 4th place.

Now its not that Moyes is wrong to say that you should aim for 40 points first to ensure you stay in the Prem (hopefully), bit its the kind of psychological thinking that should come from managers of teams who actually have a genuine worry of going down and staying up is a succesful season.

Not from a manager of a team who have regularly finished in the top 8 and have the quality to be challenging for 4th place. Maybe those other managers have made a similar comment but i couldn't find it and would be surprised if they had, even Newcastle who went down 3 years ago.

On the face of it its just being careful and meeting your minimum requirement first, but its the deeper psychological influence that that safety first talk can have on the team. And it just backs up the line of thinking that Moyes is too cautious for his (and the teams) own good sometimes.

 

[Goat]

I think his attitude has changed this Season mate.

I personally think hes just decided that its time to try a different mindset.

The 40 points line is just his bread and butter.