4-4-2

[Tubey]

A 4-4-2 against Wolves HAS to happen now.

We have no natural goalscorer in the entire squad, so we need to push an opposition to create chances. As we have no threat up front, sides can attack us at will with multiple players with pretty much zero threat of reprisal.

I'm not a Premier League manager of course, and logically you'd think Moyes must have a reason for 4-5-1 at all costs, but I'm going to come out and say it - he's wrong. Pure and simple.

It's not a case of taking a tub of Pringles into a gunfight. We're losing winnable games, and it's because David Moyes is playing decent players in unfamiliar roles in a tactical set up that is playing for a 0-0 draw from the offset.

Let's be brutally honest - the only reason David Moyes still has a job is because we can't afford to sack him.

Yes, the players look lazy, and if they truly want Moyes to stay on they need to pull a finger out, but Coleman left wing, Drenthe and McFadden right, a World Cup centre half in midfield, replacing a Premier League winning right and left back who started in midfield, whilst keeping an £8m Russian and a teen prodigy unused on the bench... that's ALL Moyes.

It needs to be 4-4-2 simply because he won't play Bilyaletdinov in his natural role, Osman is too hit and miss to play the attacking mid role consistently and Cahill is finished. We have Fellaini and Rodwell to anchor the attacking intent of Drenthe and Coleman in midfield in a four, as well as the run of Baines, and they will also allow two front men to attack rather than drop off to mark a midfielder constantly. He needs to give Fellaini licence to go and tell an off form Rodwell to do what he can still do well and mark zones in front of the defence.

It needs to be this.

Howard

Hibbert
Distin
Heitinga
Baines

Coleman
Fellaini
Rodwell
Drenthe

Saha
Vellios

Because not only is the 4-5-1 ineffective with the players we have, it's also sending out a defeatist message to the players.

I'm convinced Moyes is sticking with it as he's too stubborn to change, thinking it'll all come good so he can turn to the fans and say "see? I knew all along."

It won't. We have a run of winnable games from now until February, and Moyes needs to let the lads know they CAN be winners instead of a bargain basement bunch of tagalong professionals.

 

[Goat]

No
Successful
Team
In
World
Football
Plays
4-4-2
Stop
Calling
For
A
Formation
That
Died
Around
10
Years
Ago

 

[The Equaliser]

Wasting your time lid. He won't change it, we all know it. Just have to grin and bear it.

 

[Desaparecido]

442? Is that a type of 451????

 

[kenada_blue]

I wouldnt play Coleman.

Howard
Hibbert Jags Distin Baines
Fellaini Rodwell
Osman
Saha Cahill Drenthe​

I'd go with that. We rely on too much on ineffective wing play. Take that out of the equation and let 3-4 attacking players that are interchangable just play with 2 holding players sitting for insurance.

 

[Tubey]

No
Successful
Team
In
World
Football
Plays
4-4-2
Stop
Calling
For
A
Formation
That
Died
Around
10
Years
Ago

Except
It
Didn't

How did Man City line up again tonight?

Hart

Kolarov
Lescott
Savic
Richards

Silva
Barry
Toure
Milner

Dzeko
Aguero



Stop simply disagreeing with me simply because it's me saying it, you complete bore.

 

[NewRadical]

I'm not sure 4-4-2 is a phrase allowed to be spoken at Finch Farm/Goodison Park.

I have nothing against 4-5-1 but only when played with the correct players - not just an excuse to put more defensive minded players on the pitch disguised as midfielders. In fact 4-5-1 probably would suit our current players more that 4-4-2.

I don't see Moyes playing with a second striker against Wolves

 

[Goat]

Except
It
Didn't

How did Man City line up again tonight?

Hart

Kolarov
Lescott
Savic
Richards

Silva
Barry
Toure
Milner

Dzeko
Aguero



Stop simply disagreeing with me simply because it's me saying it, you complete bore.

Im disagreeing with cos your wrong, you utter stain on humanity.

This formation was the most common in football in the 1990s and early 2000s, so well known that it has even inspired a magazine title, FourFourTwo. The midfielders are required to work hard to support both the defence and the attack: typically one of the central midfielders is expected to go upfield as often as possible to support the forward pair, while the other will play a "holding role", shielding the defence; the two wide midfield players must move up the flanks to the goal line in attacks and yet also protect the fullback wide defenders.[9][10] On the European level, the major example of a team using a 4–4–2 formation was Milan, trained by Arrigo Sacchi and later Fabio Capello, which won three European Cups, two Intercontinental Cups, and three UEFA Super Cups between 1988 and 1995.[11] Under Milan's example, it became very popular in Italy in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

More recently, commentators have noted that at the highest level, the 4–4–2 is being phased out in favour of formations such as the 4–2–3–1.[12] In 2010, none of the winners of the Spanish, English and Italian Leagues, as well as the Champions League, relied on the 4–4–2.

 

[Tubey]

Im disagreeing with cos your wrong, you utter stain on humanity.

This formation was the most common in football in the 1990s and early 2000s, so well known that it has even inspired a magazine title, FourFourTwo. The midfielders are required to work hard to support both the defence and the attack: typically one of the central midfielders is expected to go upfield as often as possible to support the forward pair, while the other will play a "holding role", shielding the defence; the two wide midfield players must move up the flanks to the goal line in attacks and yet also protect the fullback wide defenders.[9][10] On the European level, the major example of a team using a 4–4–2 formation was Milan, trained by Arrigo Sacchi and later Fabio Capello, which won three European Cups, two Intercontinental Cups, and three UEFA Super Cups between 1988 and 1995.[11] Under Milan's example, it became very popular in Italy in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

More recently, commentators have noted that at the highest level, the 4–4–2 is being phased out in favour of formations such as the 4–2–3–1.[12] In 2010, none of the winners of the Spanish, English and Italian Leagues, as well as the Champions League, relied on the 4–4–2.

And?

So the TOP, TOP sides play 4-3-3 - so what? We're not Barcelona.

Read this bit again.

Because not only is the 4-5-1 ineffective with the players we have, it's also sending out a defeatist message to the players.

I also EXPLAINED why it isn't (because we don't have the players in the attacking mid role to utilise it effectively).

As for the bolded bit, you need to watch your mouth. Why you have a problem with me, I don't know, but you'll have a reason if you carry on.

 

[kenada_blue]

Im disagreeing with cos your wrong, you utter stain on humanity.

This formation was the most common in football in the 1990s and early 2000s, so well known that it has even inspired a magazine title, FourFourTwo. The midfielders are required to work hard to support both the defence and the attack: typically one of the central midfielders is expected to go upfield as often as possible to support the forward pair, while the other will play a "holding role", shielding the defence; the two wide midfield players must move up the flanks to the goal line in attacks and yet also protect the fullback wide defenders.[9][10] On the European level, the major example of a team using a 4–4–2 formation was Milan, trained by Arrigo Sacchi and later Fabio Capello, which won three European Cups, two Intercontinental Cups, and three UEFA Super Cups between 1988 and 1995.[11] Under Milan's example, it became very popular in Italy in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

More recently, commentators have noted that at the highest level, the 4–4–2 is being phased out in favour of formations such as the 4–2–3–1.[12] In 2010, none of the winners of the Spanish, English and Italian Leagues, as well as the Champions League, relied on the 4–4–2.

To be honest...formations are overrated.

You need to be able to be fluid and allow players to interchange and not rigid.

4-4-2 turns 4-5-1 turns 4-3-3 over 90minutes

 

[Goat]

 

[Tubey]

Oh, and how did the current champions of England line up today?

Lindegaard

Jones
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra

Nani
Rooney (Attacking, licence to go, like we could do with Fellaini)
Fletcher (Defensive, patrolling the gap between midfield and defence.)
Park

Hernandez
Welbeck

 

[Goat]

And?

So the TOP, TOP sides play 4-3-3 - so what? We're not Barcelona.

Read this bit again.



I also EXPLAINED why it isn't (because we don't have the players in the attacking mid role to utilise it effectively).

As for the bolded bit, you need to watch your mouth. Why you have a problem with me, I don't know, but you'll have a reason if you carry on.

Your calling for a formation that is simply not used anymore, if anything it highlights your grasp on football in general.

And I actually lold at the bold part, serioulsy lold.

 

[Walter Ego]

Except
It
Didn't

How did Man City line up again tonight?

Hart

Kolarov
Lescott
Savic
Richards

Silva
Barry
Toure
Milner

Dzeko
Aguero



Stop simply disagreeing with me simply because it's me saying it, you complete bore.

Plus spurs playing it nicely. The idea that formations are dead is absurd. 433 might be in fashion at the mo but any formation is effective depending on what your up aqgainst

 

[Tubey]

Your calling for a formation that is simply not used anymore, if anything it highlights your grasp on football in general.

And I actually lold at the bold part, serioulsy lold.

Still banging on that tune despite two examples today alone?

You're wrong. Clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Look up Inverting the Pyramid then get back to me.

You're a bad internet warrior nerd who simply has a problem with someone for the sake of having a problem (a complete sadsack who thought I was someone else in disguise and probably still does). And it's the last time I acknowledge you on here, you complete tool.