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I wouldn't lose sleep over him being killed but the pro's outweigh the cons. What about the people who are wrongly convicted, there's no going back for them is there?

Literally the back of your mind. I have no links handy but I studied this stuff in Uni. (Philosophy of mind, cognitive science etc.) I'll look some stuff up if you like. Plus what Neb said above is pretty much spot on.

The guy is obviously a psycho so its evident that you are using an extreme example to prove your case for the death penalty - which shows you as being deliberately disingenious. ] I don't think you'll find anyone defending murderers but hey, mass murderers walk among us - they're called...

See my post on morality in the 1977 thread. Conscience is merely your subconscious or unconscious self communicating this stuff with you. There isn't really anything to do with the mind that can't be scientifically explained nowadays.

Er, he just said.

Well I think thats a huge over-reaction. I see this as another step towards the complete commodification of sport, putting a barrier between the fans who are now nothing more than "customers" and the players, who deliver a "product". FIFA and UEFA policy is killing the game, killing all...

You think running onto the pitch constitutes hooliganism? :blink:

You think "cracking faces" will deter people? Here's the real scenario - A few drunk people run on to a pitch to celebrate their team winning a football match. Cops crack faces. World reacts to abhorrent over-reaction by the cops. Solidarity groups are set up across the land etc.

I'm beginning to think you're the Nazi Pig Dog you accuse others in your signature of being. "Cracked a few faces" for over exuberant celebration? Waaaaaaaaaaay OTT. UEFA are ruining football with these stupid fines. The people who ran on to the pitch weren't hooligans, weren't fighting, ok...

Guns available in Canada too. Not so much gun crime though. Do I believe in good and bad? Depends what you mean. Do I believe that what is right and wrong is eternally fixed, written in stone tablets? Do I believe in Good and Evil? Well no. No I don't. However I believe that generally what is...

Yeah I mean just look at how the Death Penalty has rid America of violent crime!

What are you on about? QWhen has the "Ultra-Leftist human rights hippies" :blink: been in power? Its been Thatcher and her b@st@rd son Blair and their type of laissez faire thinking that has been running Britain for 30 years or so. Hmmm... that time span seems strangely relevant to this thread!

And thats the kind of thinking that has created the kind of society we live in today, the kind of thinking that gave us: -Maggie "the T**t" Thatcher

Why choose? There are 7 days in a week!

Yeah I am serious. I like a sick joke as much (maybe more than) the next guy but Bernard Manning was meant to be a bit of fun too and he was a Bigoted ****.

Yeah though sometimes when the football is rubbish its more about drinking with your mates in different parts of the country. MNS is alright. Its a big improvement on the TV3 rubbish that we had the last few years anyway. Back on topic, none of you know this song...

Looks like it came off the BNP website. Is "Gay" a mental disorder? The one about the Muslim kid is from the "immigrants get it all handed to them on a plate by "do-gooders" school of thought. While I agree that PC has gone too far, I also think that those two scenarios are bigotry disguised as...

Gotta be Mao. Cool hat and all that.

On the Bohs forum I started a Blasphemy thread for the week thats in it. Not sure how it would go down here though.

Not quite Stanislav Lem but a great all the same.