If we lose Sat. Should Moyes be sacked?

[Eggs]

I think those who say stick with Moyes are having a good think about his position now Eggs—- what are your thoughts?

….i think we need to get away from this short-term thinking. The bloke was brought in on a relatively short contract and I believe the remit was to steady the ship through transition to the new stadium. He did terrific last season and started this one well.

I doubted the transfer window and it looks like it’s not as good as it should’ve given the monies spent. Moyes is definitely accountable for his part in acquiring the likes of Barry and Dibling but I can’t blame him for how disappointing they’ve been and for not regularly selecting them. There’s always a clamour for those not in the team but those two have been poor.

More of a genuine argument for Alcaraz having more starts but I again understand he picks KDH because he is more than an orthodox no10. As per the transfer thread, I’m not a fan of KDH but I understand why he plays.

Moyes is fine but that 20 points at Christmas is a benchmark he needs to be hitting otherwise we are in a relegation fight again and none of us will be content if that happens.

 

[davek]

...something like that, yeah.

 

[Lanolin]

The issue for me is if he doesn't win against Fulham that just heaps further pressure on him with Man United away being next , a match he has never won his entire career,so that would be 1 in 10 since august I believe, but he does win Saturday it alleviates some the scrutiny and I think he could rebound from the situation. The game appears very vital to me but that's just my perspective

Like I said, it's an issue but realistically we would not be having this conversation if we were 3 points better off and when you look at it like that talk of sacking is just a bit mad. If we were to lose the next 2 then suddenly that 3 points can become 7/8 points and then it's a different ballgame, which is why I said things can change quickly, but right now I just don't even think it's on the radar. I wouldn't have appointed Moyes because what we're seeing is what you get with him, but once you have appointed him it would be a bit mental to sack him 9 months later for doing pretty much exactly what he's always done.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

….i think we need to get away from this short-term thinking. The bloke was brought in on a relatively short contract and I believe the remit was to steady the ship through transition to the new stadium. He did terrific last season and started this one well.

I doubted the transfer window and it looks like it’s not as good as it should’ve given the monies spent. Moyes is definitely accountable for his part in acquiring the likes of Barry and Dibling but I can’t blame him for how disappointing they’ve been and for not regularly selecting them. There’s always a clamour for those not in the team but those two have been poor.

More of a genuine argument for Alcaraz having more starts but I again understand he picks KDH because he is more than an orthodox no10. As per the transfer thread, I’m not a fan of KDH but I understand why he plays.

Moyes is fine but that 20 points at Christmas is a benchmark he needs to be hitting otherwise we are in a relegation fight again and none of us will be content if that happens.

Whatever the merits of Moyes I think the cycle of short termism and distinct lack of strategy needs to be broken.

If Moyes goes, so be it. Let it be ground zero for a 5 year plan focused on instilling a playing style and philosophy underpinned by player recruitment and appointing managers who fit said ethos.

Consign the Moshiri era floundering to the bin once and for all.

 

[the golden visionary]

No.

Why would you do that. A mixture of carp squad, overhauled in the summer, to a point. Carp strikers, carp fullbacks.

Rome wasn’t built in a day friends.

I don’t think he will relegate us, he’s way better than the hoarse jockey we had previously, now at forest.

Not long term, sure, but to sack now?? Why??

And who would you have!?

A daft question at this point

That alot of carp

 

[Moomin]

If we lose tomorrow we should give him a contract extension.

He has done a fantastic job and the performances this season have improved.

 

[Curtis]

I scoff at this notion that as an Evertonian it's my sacred duty to endure underwhelming and dismal football in perpetuity and if I challenge that notion it's hearsay against the Moyesiah. I wouldn't even mind the disjointed performances if we got results and I'm not clamoring for top 6 or even 8 , a midtable finish would work and maybe more than one win in 8 games. Sorry I like to watch footy and don't want to be miserable every time I watch a game after moyes now just like I had to tolerate dyche (I don't miss games) . Last season under Moyes was a brief reprieve now because of his rigid demeanor like dyche we're in a similar predicament

Also it's just a discussion for those riled up I don't have the power to sack Moyes

 

[the golden visionary]

Show the voters you coward

I was undecided

 

[Rich1878]

Can't see him getting sacked if we lose tomorrow. But I do think TFG will be looking for replacements. We have a few tricky games coming up. So, if we don't improve quickly, then I could see him on the chopping board at Christmas.

But I guess that also depends on who TFG want to take us over. Is that person available? Are we in a good enough position to attract that person? Who knows. But they will definitely be getting trigger happy if the results don't improve and fast

 

[the golden visionary]

I scoff at this notion that as an Evertonian it's my sacred duty to endure underwhelming and dismal football in perpetuity and if I challenge that notion it's hearsay against the Moyesiah. I wouldn't even mind the disjointed performances if we got results and I'm not clamoring for top 6 or even 8 , a midtable finish would work and maybe more than one win in 8 games. Sorry I like to watch footy and don't want to be miserable every time I watch a game after moyes now just like I had to tolerate dyche (I don't miss games) . Last season under Moyes was a brief reprieve now because of his rigid demeanor like dyche we're in a similar predicament

I honestly believe alot if the grumbles with moyes would dissipate if he was just more proactive with his subs, its ridiculous how we all know not only the subs but the minute hes making them.

 

[blue to the bone]

No. But id be hopeful we are looking at a replacement for the summer.
He has done a good job since he came in but needs to be more flexible. Our squad is a mid table squad and I think that's where we will finish . We dont need the turmoil of another managerial change where the replacements aren't what or who we need. The owners aren't afraid to make changes but there is no need to panic either.

 

[Igrok]

If he spreads legs for ManU…sack

 

[MisterJ]

Carlo would have been perfect for the Friedkins - because he would have been backed sustainably, unlike under Moshiri where he had a splurge and then...nothing. And he wouldn't have put up with the crap players for longer than necessary - which is precisely what we need our next manager not to put up with. I've no more toleration for Mykolenko... But I'm agreeing with you. Our fans want it both ways: if somebody hasn't got a "proven record", then he's not for us. If he has a proven record, like Carlo, he's not for us either.

The point is, "proven records" mean very little either way. We need our competent professionals to make smart calls. This is indeed what they are paid for. If Kinnear signs a dud next time, he needs the bullet. These fellas must be held to account, just as they hold our managers to account.

Is it too late to get him back?

 

[Drico]

Is it too late to get him back?

There will be a lot of managers looking for a new gig come the end of the World Cup...

In many ways, welcome back, Roberto!

 

[Simon Buttle]

There will be a lot of managers looking for a new gig come the end of the World Cup...

In many ways, welcome back, Roberto!

You can't sit about waiting for the World Cup to finish though, we need to have a link established with someone before then so when it finishes they can walk in and just start (that is if we are targeting a tournament manager)