6 + 2 Point Deductions


Tipp blue said:
We were hard done by, they didn't accept proper mitigations, Do you think it's a case of the PL saying "we accepted your ludicrous covid calculations but we wont accept valid mitigations" even if they accepted loss of sponsorship due to the war we'd have been under and the can of worms that was opened that day would still be shut they then allowed Manchester United to write off standard business expenses to the exact amount they were over for PSR.. I will maintain that we were hard done by for as long as the PL refuse to punish the scab 6 for breaking financial rules.
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The sponsorship due to the war only affected the second charge.

The 21/22 season we got paid in full for USM sponsorship. It was the year after it took affect and we got nothing.

We can't use Gylfi as a mitigating reason.

The sale of Keane never happening was another excuse we came up with.

The Premier League are a joke but we quite clearly broke the rules even with them trying to help us out.
 

Luton Town | 30 points | 2008-09​

To date, the unwanted record of the worst punishment in English football history is held by Luton Town with their 30-point deduction.

It was indeed in the horrid 2008-09 League Two season for not just three (apart from Bournemouth and Rotherham) but four sides, as Darlington Football Club also faced a 10-point sanction after going into administration.

Coming back to Luton, after the EFL stripped the club of 10 points for making illegal payments to agents, the Hatters had to accept a further 20-point deduction for leaving administration without a Company Voluntary Agreement in order to be allowed in the League.

So in all, the 30-point deduction saw Luton fall out of the EFL for the first time ever as they finished the season rock bottom.



We got away very lightly.
 

Goat said:
You are missing the point tho.

People keep saying the PL had it in for us, yet they waved aside 180m in covid loses, which was 3 times the amount of other clubs in the league, without even questioning it.

If they truly had an axe to grind they could have asked WTF we were smoking and gone for us big time.

As it was the PL tried everything they could to give us a pass, but we were simply too incompetent for them to ignore.
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I’m not missing the point at all.

The losses were deemed acceptable so why argue the toss whether you or I think they were genuine or not.

As soon as the threat of an independent regulator came into view then that’s when the PLs approach changed and we became the scapegoat.
 
Iana said:
It does not matter what you or I think because it was deemed acceptable by the PL and the auditors.

I take it you pay more tax to HMRC because you feel you should do despite meeting all the criteria for not having to versus your neighbours.
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They tried to help us, thats why they saw it as acceptable.

Arsenal, Spurs and United easily make 5 times more than us per game yet we somehow lost more per season due to covid.

How did we manage that? We still all got the TV money, it was only match day revenue the clubs lost.
 
Iana said:
I’m not missing the point at all.

The losses were deemed acceptable so why argue the toss whether you or I think they were genuine or not.

As soon as the threat of an independent regulator came into view then that’s when the PLs approach changed and we became the scapegoat.
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Ok and our mitigation was denied, so why talk about that?

As I said, you are missing the point.
 

Iana said:
There is in the PL for going into administration…check the rule book.

The Luton Town punishments were under the EFL which does not apply to the PL.
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Is that the PL rulebook that was amended after Everton were punished?

When Everton were charged there were no maximum punishments, 9 is the highest you could get for a single charge, but you could also be charged with other offences.

Im not even sure there is a maximum now to be honest.
 
Moomin said:
They tried to help us, thats why they saw it as acceptable.

Arsenal, Spurs and United easily make 5 times more than us per game yet we somehow lost more per season due to covid.

How did we manage that? We still all got the TV money, it was only match day revenue the clubs lost.
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Neither you or I have any idea what Everton presented as Covid Losses, In fact you could argue that we were hit worse than any club due to covid being the only club in the process of getting a new ground and the cost of materials sky rocketing the cost of the ground went from 500 million to 700 million pre and post covid, there's your 200 million.. If we claimed that and the PL accepted it then that's perfectly legitimate.
 
Tipp blue said:
Neither you or I have any idea what Everton presented as Covid Losses, In fact you could argue that we were hit worse than any club due to covid being the only club in the process of getting a new ground and the cost of materials sky rocketing the cost of the ground went from 500 million to 700 million pre and post covid, there's your 200 million.. If we claimed that and the PL accepted it then that's perfectly legitimate.
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Construction never started until 2023.

Once again, construction costs don't count against PSR.
 
Moomin said:
Construction never started until 2023.

Once again, construction costs don't count against PSR.
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That's because it got delayed due to Covid... And it started in 2021 not 2023 after planning was granted in Feb 2020 weeks before covid, building commenced in July 2021 with the price of transport and materials increasing dramatically.
See Mr Drone Video from 4 years ago 2021


We aren't talking about PSR we are talking about we are talking what the PL allowed as covid write downs.
 

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