6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Moomin]

I may have missed something, but how is it our problem that the Premier League didn't punish us in the season that Burnley exploded like ratbags and got releg8ed?

Did we hide something material from the Premier League during that season that meant our case and punishment were deferred?

Thinking on, if the Premier League throw the book at us (again), does this set a dangerous precedent vis-a-vis their case against Man City?

There was no rules in place at the time to say we must be punished in the same season.

When they found us guilty in March we denied the charges so stopped the punishment happening that season. When the hearing took place in November we had already accepted guilt at the pre-hearing.

Because of that they did then change the rules to say the punishment must happen that season.

We played the game.

 

[cantlivewithem]

I think the Burnley argument is not about what season the points deduction should have been applied, its more about the fact we were found to have failed PSR by overspending and whether that overspending was the reason we stayed up.

I cant see how they can possibly decide that the 19.5 million overspend enabled us to get the 4 extra points we finished ahead of Burnley by. We were in freefall at the time. My only concern is if they decide to penalise Everton so that no other club has to get penalised in future, i.e City, Chelsea.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Surely the premier League are to blame for the points being deducted the season after?

Burnley can get stuffed..

 

[MercuryBlue88]

It would make sense for this to fail, as it would open a can of worms that nobody really wants. If Burnley are successful, then I imagine Leeds and Leicester would also push for compensation. Then teams like Liverpool and Arsenal would look for deals against Chelsea and City.
That being said, we will probably be found guilty have to pay Burnley a small fortune and then a rule change will come into force to protect the rest of the league.

 

[brieverton]

It would make sense for this to fail, as it would open a can of worms that nobody really wants. If Burnley are successful, then I imagine Leeds and Leicester would also push for compensation. Then teams like Liverpool and Arsenal would look for deals against Chelsea and City.
That being said, we will probably be found guilty have to pay Burnley a small fortune and then a rule change will come into force to protect the rest of the league.

I agree, the consequences of a judgement in Burnleys favour and any degree of a significant reward would open up a huge can of worms.

It was interesting to begin with that Leeds and Leicester decided not to pursue this. Was it a case of people in glass houses and/or just deciding not to open up a hornets nest?

We could not be left open to an indefinate period of other potential claims if this goes against us. It would amount to being scapegoated yet again. We did receive a significant punishment, twice. And it was noted we acted in good faith.

I wonder if there is an appeal process here if required, but even if not, the club might seek redress of their own and on other grounds and it would get very messy.

Ultimately this is a reflection of the PL's failure of oversight and consequences of a lack of independent regulation.

 

[Timbucktoo]

I think the Burnley argument is not about what season the points deduction should have been applied, its more about the fact we were found to have failed PSR by overspending and whether that overspending was the reason we stayed up.

I cant see how they can possibly decide that the 19.5 million overspend enabled us to get the 4 extra points we finished ahead of Burnley by. We were in freefall at the time. My only concern is if they decide to penalise Everton so that no other club has to get penalised in future, i.e City, Chelsea.

I`d say it would be pretty obvious that us spending so much money that put us in PSR trouble meant we brought in more rubish players that all played their part in our tumble down the PL.

 

[Blue peter]

It would make sense for this to fail, as it would open a can of worms that nobody really wants. If Burnley are successful, then I imagine Leeds and Leicester would also push for compensation. Then teams like Liverpool and Arsenal would look for deals against Chelsea and City.
That being said, we will probably be found guilty have to pay Burnley a small fortune and then a rule change will come into force to protect the rest of the league.

It would be a mockery if Leeds and Leicester tried to claim though wouldn’t it? They couldn’t all survive and two of the three clubs (including Burnley) would have been relegated anyway. If it’s the season I am thinking of, didn’t Burnley finish behind Leeds as well?

 

[Moomin]

Surely the premier League are to blame for the points being deducted the season after?

Burnley can get stuffed..

They had no rules in place, issue is with the Premier League for me.

If we never contested the charges we would have had the points deducted that season.

We played the game and contested them in the March so we had a hearing in November. Before that took place we admitted the charges at the pre-hearing.

 

[Rehnman]

I’m sure Rysantsev, the guy Mosh/Usmanov put on the board but later gave the boot to went to work at Burnley. Can’t be a coincidence that both him and our lawyer have been taken on there. As far as I can remember, he came up in the tribunal as the person actually in charge of ensuring we complied with the rules. Some people have no shame.

 

[Bedfordblue]

I’m sure Rysantsev, the guy Mosh/Usmanov put on the board but later gave the boot to went to work at Burnley. Can’t be a coincidence that both him and our lawyer have been taken on there. As far as I can remember, he came up in the tribunal as the person actually in charge of ensuring we complied with the rules. Some people have no shame.

He’s the CFO advisor or something. Not actually on the board iirc.

 

[Lanolin]

While I agree that on the face of it this sounds bizarre, I'm not sure about laughing at the idea and saying Burnley have got no chance of winning. Clearly it's believed that we have a case to answer, they aren't going to have gone to all this trouble and expense, and we aren't going to have been dealing with a top lawyer for 6 months, if the whole thing is completely pie in the sky.

 

[Simon Buttle]

I’m sure Rysantsev, the guy Mosh/Usmanov put on the board but later gave the boot to went to work at Burnley. Can’t be a coincidence that both him and our lawyer have been taken on there. As far as I can remember, he came up in the tribunal as the person actually in charge of ensuring we complied with the rules. Some people have no shame.

Yeah he was brought in too generate revenue streams but Blue Bill didn't like his ideas basically and put the blocks up at every turn so he quit in the end.

 

[Duncan’s Pigeon Loft]

Remember the banner their fans flew over a stadium during one of their games.

‘WHURT LURVES MATTUR’

Absolute Neanderthals

 

[Lanolin]

Not happy, not happy at all.

I've seen catchier banners.

 

[ToffeeScot]

It would make sense for this to fail, as it would open a can of worms that nobody really wants. If Burnley are successful, then I imagine Leeds and Leicester would also push for compensation. Then teams like Liverpool and Arsenal would look for deals against Chelsea and City.
That being said, we will probably be found guilty have to pay Burnley a small fortune and then a rule change will come into force to protect the rest of the league.

If it succeeds then every club in the league can start sueing each other because it makes a complete farce of every result which includes clubs which have been sanctioned for breaking rules.