2025/26 Beto

[DualityNSNO]

I think people are a little too quick to claim that he's going to score at a particular rate, and i'm not entirely sure why. His record overall doesn't back it up, he's very much a 10 goal a season striker up to now, and while the figures you're putting forward about his time under Moyes are correct, they're massively skewed by a run of 5 goals in 4 games. Since that run ended his league record is 3 in his last 16 games (which is more in keeping with what went before), so it's very difficult to tell whether the 5 in 4 was just one of those mad runs that players sometimes have, or something that he can repeat semi regularly. I'm certainly not saying he definitely can't do it, but we can't be saying he definitely can either.

There are no consistently good strikers that never miss a beat like that in world football that we can afford or will come here - I'd love a Mbappe or CR7 type of player that gets so many goals and rarely misses a game to score or assist, but there's a reason those cost as much as our team.

I'm hopeful that he can repeat a good run of 5-6 games where he scores 5 or so goals, as he's one of our two options really, not that he's great or anything haha
As you say - 10 a season is fine, but I'd add that it's fine if he plays about 25-30 games overall and Barry hits the ground running himself so there's at least some challenge for both.

Also to the skewing of statistics - Lukaku who is probably our best striker in the last 30+ years went missing for 8-9 games at a time (reaching 10 with no goal or something too I think), which is mad, but he had the ability and mentality to bounce back. Beto doesn't seem to affected by missing chances, which is good, but I hope he either starts being more consistent with his finishing or leaves his starting position to Barry, who hopefully starts slotting a bit more. Mentality not being backed up by ability is basically a living picture of Stracq

We're in a rebuild anyway so we're stuck with both for at least a year. Barry's an investment, Beto is a wildcard more than anything, but it's what we have right now.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I wasn’t replying to you on this message

Mate I have what is called commonly "the big stupid" x

But also our mate here is also one of the good ones, promise

 

[Lanolin]

There are no consistently good strikers that never miss a beat like that in world football that we can afford or will come here - I'd love a Mbappe or CR7 type of player that gets so many goals and rarely misses a game to score or assist, but there's a reason those cost as much as our team.

I'm hopeful that he can repeat a good run of 5-6 games where he scores 5 or so goals, as he's one of our two options really, not that he's great or anything haha
As you say - 10 a season is fine, but I'd add that it's fine if he plays about 25-30 games overall and Barry hits the ground running himself so there's at least some challenge for both.

Also to the skewing of statistics - Lukaku who is probably our best striker in the last 30+ years went missing for 8-9 games at a time (reaching 10 with no goal or something too I think), which is mad, but he had the ability and mentality to bounce back. Beto doesn't seem to affected by missing chances, which is good, but I hope he either starts being more consistent with his finishing or leaves his starting position to Barry, who hopefully starts slotting a bit more. Mentality not being backed up by ability is basically a living picture of Stracq

We're in a rebuild anyway so we're stuck with both for at least a year. Barry's an investment, Beto is a wildcard more than anything, but it's what we have right now.

I never mentioned anything about a striker who never misses? I'm just saying your post about his scoring record doesn't really hold up because it's massively skewed by a good run of 4 games and so can't be used to extrapolate his future form.

Lukaku (and most if not all strikers) had runs where he didn't score but his record overall was enough for us to know what to expect from him, he's scored at least 14 goals in all competitions in every single season in which he's played more than 14 games, so him having some quiet spells means nothing when you're looking at how likely he is to score consistently. Beto is pretty much the opposite, he's never scored more than 11 goals in all competitions at the top level, and so suggesting that he's likely to do so based off a small run of form is a massively flawed extrapolation. Like I said, it certainly doesn't mean he can't do it, but the evidence to back it up is virtually nil.

 

[blue in oxford]

not the long term answer is obvious but he tries hard.
hopefully with give the reds CHs a rough tough game saturday
then Barry must start against Wolves

 

[Efcjake]

But you can be a 1 in 3 striker that actually is very good technically and creates a lot for the team. Beto apart from knocking a few CB’s over he offers very little

When have we had one of these?

 

[Efcjake]

I love how this thread gets bumped 10 pages or more if he doesn't score and only one or two pages when he does.

 

[Lanolin]

I love how this thread gets bumped 10 pages or more if he doesn't score and only one or two pages when he does.

I assume it’s the same for all players. When there’s debate there’ll naturally be more pages as people go back and to, if everybody’s in agreement there’s less discussion and so less pages.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I never mentioned anything about a striker who never misses? I'm just saying your post about his scoring record doesn't really hold up because it's massively skewed by a good run of 4 games and so can't be used to extrapolate his future form.

Lukaku (and most if not all strikers) had runs where he didn't score but his record overall was enough for us to know what to expect from him, he's scored at least 14 goals in all competitions in every single season in which he's played more than 14 games, so him having some quiet spells means nothing when you're looking at how likely he is to score consistently. Beto is pretty much the opposite, he's never scored more than 11 goals in all competitions at the top level, and so suggesting that he's likely to do so based off a small run of form is a massively flawed extrapolation. Like I said, it certainly doesn't mean he can't do it, but the evidence to back it up is virtually nil.

Yeah, I did, because it's what I'd like to see at the club Massively skewed or not, he's still capable of it at least partially, so for now it's all we have. We create enough at least, so the blame is solely on him this time, and our hope is that either he or Barry goes nuclear basically.

Also Lukaku faced a ton of criticism for going away in somewhat bigger games, or not doing his best IIRC, called lazy and all that, but always up for the relegation fighters, so "knew what to expect" isn't even fully true here. I don't support that take but it is what was said. Also "score consistently" while going 10 games without a goal or assist is about as consistent as DCL was for us last year and it's not something a top team can afford, so currently even Lukaku wouldn't fit these huge ambitions that people have now during the rebuild we have, for some reason. I can imagine anyone scoring 15 goals this year and people going "ah yeah but he didn't press well enough and his hold up play is a bit suspect tho mate", all because we've signed Jack Grealish.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I love how this thread gets bumped 10 pages or more if he doesn't score and only one or two pages when he does.

I'm waiting for a streak of maybe 1 or 2 more games before the KFC calls come back tbh.

 

[Lanolin]

Yeah, I did, because it's what I'd like to see at the club Massively skewed or not, he's still capable of it at least partially, so for now it's all we have. We create enough at least, so the blame is solely on him this time, and our hope is that either he or Barry goes nuclear basically.

Also Lukaku faced a ton of criticism for going away in somewhat bigger games, or not doing his best IIRC, called lazy and all that, but always up for the relegation fighters, so "knew what to expect" isn't even fully true here. I don't support that take but it is what was said. Also "score consistently" while going 10 games without a goal or assist is about as consistent as DCL was for us last year and it's not something a top team can afford, so currently even Lukaku wouldn't fit these huge ambitions that people have now during the rebuild we have, for some reason. I can imagine anyone scoring 15 goals this year and people going "ah yeah but he didn't press well enough and his hold up play is a bit suspect tho mate", all because we've signed Jack Grealish.

I think you’re totally misunderstanding everything I’m saying to be honest. The original point was that you said his 1 in 3 record under moyes was ‘likely to continue’ and I’m saying I think it’s difficult to say that with any confidence because there’s very little to support it. Again, it’s absolutely not to say he won’t, only that none of the evidence suggests it’s the most likely scenario and so it’s just an unsubstantiated guess being dressed up as a reasoned argument really.

With lukaku, the point is it doesn’t matter if he once went 10 games without scoring because the evidence of his career tells us that he has quite literally ALWAYS scored consistently in seasons where he’s been a regular. If he has a run without scoring you can be confident that it will even out and at some point he’ll score in 6 straight games or something because he has proven his ability to do that many many times. The very simple point is that Beto hasn’t. His run of 5 in 4 is out of keeping with the form he’s shown in his top level career so far and so it’s perfectly legitimate to question whether it was something he can repeat or if it was just a one off burst and he’s more likely to have a record like he did before it and has since.

 

[Efcjake]

I assume it’s the same for all players. When there’s debate there’ll naturally be more pages as people go back and to, if everybody’s in agreement there’s less discussion and so less pages.

It's definitely not though. If he doesn't score he gets 10 new pages. Ndiaye and KDH'S thread haven't hit 30 pages yet and Beto has more than double. Grealish has 120 because he's been amazing.

Nobody is haranguing Grealish, Ndiaye, KDH or any other attacker for us not scoring yesterday, just Beto.

Because some people have a massive agenda against the lad and want to blame him every time we don't win.

 

[Lanolin]

It's definitely not though. If he doesn't score he gets 10 new pages. Ndiaye and KDH'S thread haven't hit 30 pages yet and Beto has more than double. Grealish has 120 because he's been amazing.

Nobody is haranguing Grealish, Ndiaye, KDH or any other attacker for us not scoring yesterday, just Beto.

Because some people have a massive agenda against the lad and want to blame him every time we don't win.

My point is when 7 of the 11 posts on this page are from 2 people ‘defending’ him then the amount of posts in general - and therefore pages - is obviously going to be higher than if nobody needs to defend him because everybody’s happy. It’s just common sense to be honest.

 

[Efcjake]

Barry was heavily involved in 2 or 3 goals so far, Beto has done sweet FA

He's scored twice this season hasn't he?

 

[NeilMorepies]

Where is the Blammo?

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Ive asked this a number of times in this thread, perhaps it should be a new thread, but what do people actually want or expect from Everton this year? Because going from struggling to mid table to thinking about Europe is a hell of a nice bit of forward momentum.

Beto under Moyes has a goal scoring record befitting that standing. Do I want a 1 in 2 striker? Of course. Do I want to aim for Champions League and a cup win? Absolutely. Beto probably isn't that man. But its going to take time. So stop pissing your bed sheets and start being realistic. You're the same fan base that said Chris Wood wasn't good enough to come here.