Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
How about being in the right place to connect with Grealish crosses and just pop them in ?
How about being in the right place to connect with Grealish crosses and just pop them in ?
cjuk87
Player Valuation: £10m
Terrible game and chances missed. But aside from a last minute pen, Liverpool were about to draw with Burnley. Despite spending a ridiculous amount on attacking players. It happens sometimes.
Unfortunately, we've already written off Keane, Tarky, Mykolenko, Alcaraz, McNeil, Barry and Beto this season. So BOOOO
Unfortunately, we've already written off Keane, Tarky, Mykolenko, Alcaraz, McNeil, Barry and Beto this season. So BOOOO
He absolutely does lots for the team.
His non stop running and physical presence, forces the opposition defence to play deeper, as they know his strength is running onto through balls, which in turn creates space in front of the back four, for our very much improved midfield and wingers to occupy and create.
Is he the long term answer, probably not, but as @Hinchcliffe's Corner corner has stated, we`re at the start of a complete reset of the club and team.
The next phase will include attacking full backs and hopefully a more expansive strike force ( which will cost mega money )
This time last year, the majority on here, were stating that they`d be happy to finish fourth from bottom.
The fact that at this stage of the season, people are only slating our centre forwards is a a sign of how far we`ve come from the dark days of the Moshiri reign and the stinking managers he employed.
Baby steps.
So we need a 1 in 3 striker but a 1 in 3 striker isn't good enough because he only scores goals?! He also presses, is a team player, and is fast and physical enough to force attention on himself, freeing space/time for others.
I'd say it's a decent start and 'stop gap' for this year at the very least, and hopefully Barry steps up as well when called upon.
Honestly mate I don't care if he falls over his arse 10 times a game - as long as he keeps getting into good positions and scoring them (or at least hitting the target convincingly, as we've seen this also not happen with DCL
), he's fine for now. A very extreme example, but Niasse was a horrid player technically, but he somehow scored - he almost got double digits in less than 30 games, which is remarkable for his particular lack of qualities as well, and he's a bit of a cult hero for it. Beto is much better than him (low bar, I know) and manages to get himself into positions and scores them, so far so decent. We 100% would need a better option going forward, and maybe/hopefully Barry is the answer there, but we're *okay* for now. He did snatch at chances against Villa but they're defensively very solid, as well as having a great goalie, so at least he gets to those chances anyway, it's not like he's idling and sulking.As I said - not my favourite player or anything, but we can't ignore the things he's doing well. He's going to be at best a sub/backup if we had a genuinely good overall striker, but currently we gotta work with what we have and he is 'it'. Also he seems like a confidence player, so hopefully these misses aren't getting to his head. Basically as @Hinchcliffe's Corner said earlier too, to not repeat that - a rebuild takes time and he's a decent enough player for the process.
After the next game I'd prefer if we gave Barry a decent run out, but I can also see Moyes not doing that if Beto has a good game, as he usually does against the RS. Double-edged sword
Well at least you have 26 million.
And likely we get that if we try to sell him, players are going for mental sums again anyway, but we need a squad.
Pabbers
Player Valuation: £60m
He is so inconsistent....not game to game...but minute to minute.
I really like him 1 minute....then 5 mins later he looks so bad.
No wonder it CAN be hard to mark him, nobody, even Beto himself knows what he will do next.
In a way...can see why some very good defenders can struggle at times with him.....just due to all this above...most players work all week on oppositions and what they do...how the frig can you wtahc ANY game of Beto and predict anything !?!
I really like him 1 minute....then 5 mins later he looks so bad.
No wonder it CAN be hard to mark him, nobody, even Beto himself knows what he will do next.
In a way...can see why some very good defenders can struggle at times with him.....just due to all this above...most players work all week on oppositions and what they do...how the frig can you wtahc ANY game of Beto and predict anything !?!
Probably not
hilarious I stopped reading after that. I have no doubt you thought doucoure should have got a new deal and that McNeil should be in the team. Beto is utter pants and would be lucky to start for at the most 3 or 4 prem teams.
You're 100% right. That's both his biggest strength and his biggest weakness in my opinion, he's really awkward and unorthodox and that allied to his natural physical attributes can cause teams real problems, but also means that it can be difficult for his own team mates to link with, and basically means that for every unorthodox action that takes a defender by surprise and leads to something there's another one that means he messes up what should be a straightforward chance to do something. He's infuriating and very limited, but he can be effective.
He is also 2 footed, just a shame they both head to same place..
a 1 in 3 striker is not a bad thing if he offers a lot more to tge team, and can create and assist and keep the ball and make things happen around the box. Just look how grealish’s abilty helps us so much in the final 3rdSo we need a 1 in 3 striker but a 1 in 3 striker isn't good enough because he only scores goals?! He also presses, is a team player, and is fast and physical enough to force attention on himself, freeing space/time for others.
I'd say it's a decent start and 'stop gap' for this year at the very least, and hopefully Barry steps up as well when called upon.
Honestly mate I don't care if he falls over his arse 10 times a game - as long as he keeps getting into good positions and scoring them (or at least hitting the target convincingly, as we've seen this also not happen with DCL
As I said - not my favourite player or anything, but we can't ignore the things he's doing well. He's going to be at best a sub/backup if we had a genuinely good overall striker, but currently we gotta work with what we have and he is 'it'. Also he seems like a confidence player, so hopefully these misses aren't getting to his head. Basically as @Hinchcliffe's Corner said earlier too, to not repeat that - a rebuild takes time and he's a decent enough player for the process.
After the next game I'd prefer if we gave Barry a decent run out, but I can also see Moyes not doing that if Beto has a good game, as he usually does against the RS. Double
We can’t do anything about our striker options right now , but Beto shouldn’t be anywhere near our squad next season
Pabbers
Player Valuation: £60m
Yeah Thats very well put that....I bet they get very frustrated.
I think people are a little too quick to claim that he's going to score at a particular rate, and i'm not entirely sure why. His record overall doesn't back it up, he's very much a 10 goal a season striker up to now, and while the figures you're putting forward about his time under Moyes are correct, they're massively skewed by a run of 5 goals in 4 games. Since that run ended his league record is 3 in his last 16 games (which is more in keeping with what went before), so it's very difficult to tell whether the 5 in 4 was just one of those mad runs that players sometimes have, or something that he can repeat semi regularly. I'm certainly not saying he definitely can't do it, but we can't be saying he definitely can either.
the golden visionary
Player Valuation: £35m
The lads a headcase, to much in his own head, when he messes up, he ruminates for the next 5 minutes.
He doesn't even look happy when he scores , he's git the look of someone who has proven themselves wrong.
He needs to get out if his own way.
I bet yer he's great in training. Touch is bang on, finishes like a prime Romario.
He doesn't even look happy when he scores , he's git the look of someone who has proven themselves wrong.
He needs to get out if his own way.
I bet yer he's great in training. Touch is bang on, finishes like a prime Romario.
Considering I've been against Doucoure, Dyche and have been on your side regarding McNeil, glad respect is met with respect here at leastProbably not
I wasn’t replying to you on this messageConsidering I've been against Doucoure, Dyche and have been on your side regarding McNeil, glad respect is met with respect here at least
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