2025/26 Beto

[Clarky cat]

He is there to score goals not run behind the defence.

You do realise that sometimes you need to do the latter to fulfil the former?

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Yeah, that was right by us, was screaming at him to hit it.

You put him off.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Second touch is a tackle

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I don't think any of his chances were sitters or guilt edge. maybe a player with better technique scores them 1 in 2. for this reason, he's never gonna be the long term answer and people are gonna (potentially rightly) be on his back for it.

all that said, due to attitude and intelligence, he gets into a position to score more than anyone else we have. he's never gonna score every one. but he will get in the positions enough to score enough imo.

Agreed .
And therein lies our problem .
A 1 in 2 striker is out of our immediate reach , even a 1 in 3 striker is unlikely to be attracted to us currently ( and is also out of our price range) .
We have to gamble on developing a striker to that level.
Against Villa we didn’t fail to score because of the quality of our strikers it was because we didn’t create enough clear chances . Villa were just too strong for us defensively.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Agreed .
And therein lies our problem .
A 1 in 2 striker is out of our immediate reach , even a 1 in 3 striker is unlikely to be attracted to us currently ( and is also out of our price range) .
We have to gamble on developing a striker to that level.
Against Villa we didn’t fail to score because of the quality of our strikers it was because we didn’t create enough clear chances . Villa were just too strong for us defensively.

As I've said earlier in this thread, even if we attracted a 1 in 2 striker, and spent a lot of money doing it, he'd be twiddling his thumbs up top on his own or chasing long balls because we wouldn't have bought a midfield to service him. It's just going to take some time to rebuild.

 

[blueboy72]

Agreed .
And therein lies our problem .
A 1 in 2 striker is out of our immediate reach , even a 1 in 3 striker is unlikely to be attracted to us currently ( and is also out of our price range) .
We have to gamble on developing a striker to that level.
Against Villa we didn’t fail to score because of the quality of our strikers it was because we didn’t create enough clear chances . Villa were just too strong for us defensively.

No Beto missed 2 good chances, you don’t have to be world class to take at least one of them. It’s also his hold up play, if you can’t score create for your team mates. He’s played what 50 times for us now, how may good chances has he provided for his teammates

 

[blueboy72]

As I've said earlier in this thread, even if we attracted a 1 in 2 striker, and spent a lot of money doing it, he'd be twiddling his thumbs up top on his own or chasing long balls because we wouldn't have bought a midfield to service him. It's just going to take some time to rebuild.

But you can be a 1 in 3 striker that actually is very good technically and creates a lot for the team. Beto apart from knocking a few CB’s over he offers very little

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

But you can be a 1 in 3 striker that actually is very good technically and creates a lot for the team. Beto apart from knocking a few CB’s over he offers very little

For sure, Beto isn't the answer to European footy long term, O'Brien isn't the answer at full back, Tarkowski probably not either, but then what's the question? Last 4 years been battling relegation, we're going through a complete restructure of our club currently without making the same mistakes as last time.

 

[jazzy]

Agreed .
And therein lies our problem .
A 1 in 2 striker is out of our immediate reach , even a 1 in 3 striker is unlikely to be attracted to us currently ( and is also out of our price range) .
We have to gamble on developing a striker to that level.
Against Villa we didn’t fail to score because of the quality of our strikers it was because we didn’t create enough clear chances . Villa were just too strong for us defensively.

Sorry mate , can't agree with that.

We created plenty of chances against Villa and Beto missed 2 sitters

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

No Beto missed 2 good chances, you don’t have to be world class to take at least one of them. It’s also his hold up play, if you can’t score create for your team mates. He’s played what 50 times for us now, how may good chances has he provided for his teammates

A 1- 2 striker is world class .
So is a 1-3 striker for that matter.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Sorry mate , can't agree with that.

We created plenty of chances against Villa and Beto missed 2 sitters

They were good chances , certainly , but would hesitate to classify them as sitters .

 

[DualityNSNO]

A 1- 2 striker is world class .
So is a 1-3 striker for that matter.

But you can be a 1 in 3 striker that actually is very good technically and creates a lot for the team. Beto apart from knocking a few CB’s over he offers very little

He is literally a 1 in 3 striker with his lack of qualities currently, as we create enough. Maybe he'll hit a purple patch where he goes on a consecutive goal run, but it's disingenuous to say he's not actually scoring -
Beto under Moyes:
9 in 24 (all comps; 8 in 22 League only), over 1600 minutes played total, which is literally 1 in 3.

For some reason think of him as the Dyche version of Beto, who barely scored but alternatively played garbage minutes.
Under Dyche, all comps:
7 in 50 (all comps; 4 in 41 League only), under 1600 all comps, barely 1100 in the league. So he played double the games but more than twice less minutes (10 starts only despite the 50 games, 30 min per game in the league average, chasing hoofs).

So Moyes will likely keep the form of scoring going from him.

Not saying he's my favourite player or the best one to do it or something like that, but he's far from DCL in terms of "not scoring", as he's actually doing okay. People are going hilariously overboard because he had some good shots equalled by great saves, it's not as if he skied every shot he could 50 yards over the bar? Yeah, he's not Lukaku, but even Rom had stints of scoring 7 goals in 5 games and then not scoring the next 5, why are we quick to ignore that?

 

[blueboy72]

He is literally a 1 in 3 striker with his lack of qualities currently, as we create enough. Maybe he'll hit a purple patch where he goes on a consecutive goal run, but it's disingenuous to say he's not actually scoring -
Beto under Moyes:
9 in 24 (all comps; 8 in 22 League only), over 1600 minutes played total, which is literally 1 in 3.

For some reason think of him as the Dyche version of Beto, who barely scored but alternatively played garbage minutes.
Under Dyche, all comps:
7 in 50 (all comps; 4 in 41 League only), under 1600 all comps, barely 1100 in the league. So he played double the games but more than twice less minutes (10 starts only despite the 50 games, 30 min per game in the league average, chasing hoofs).

So Moyes will likely keep the form of scoring going from him.

Not saying he's my favourite player or the best one to do it or something like that, but he's far from DCL in terms of "not scoring", as he's actually doing okay. People are going hilariously overboard because he had some good shots equalled by great saves, it's not as if he skied every shot he could 50 yards over the bar? Yeah, he's not Lukaku, but even Rom had stints of scoring 7 goals in 5 games and then not scoring the next 5, why are we quick to ignore that?

But he offers nothing else to the team, he can’t control the ball, he does create for team mates, he doesn’t make great runs.
He doesn’t win pens or free kicks. So 1 in 3 ain’t good enough

 

[jazzy]

He is literally a 1 in 3 striker with his lack of qualities currently, as we create enough. Maybe he'll hit a purple patch where he goes on a consecutive goal run, but it's disingenuous to say he's not actually scoring -
Beto under Moyes:
9 in 24 (all comps; 8 in 22 League only), over 1600 minutes played total, which is literally 1 in 3.

For some reason think of him as the Dyche version of Beto, who barely scored but alternatively played garbage minutes.
Under Dyche, all comps:
7 in 50 (all comps; 4 in 41 League only), under 1600 all comps, barely 1100 in the league. So he played double the games but more than twice less minutes (10 starts only despite the 50 games, 30 min per game in the league average, chasing hoofs).

So Moyes will likely keep the form of scoring going from him.

Not saying he's my favourite player or the best one to do it or something like that, but he's far from DCL in terms of "not scoring", as he's actually doing okay. People are going hilariously overboard because he had some good shots equalled by great saves, it's not as if he skied every shot he could 50 yards over the bar? Yeah, he's not Lukaku, but even Rom had stints of scoring 7 goals in 5 games and then not scoring the next 5, why are we quick to ignore that?

For me , for us to progress, we need a 1 in 2 striker.

A 1 in 3 striker would be accountable if they also led the line well.

What you say about Betos scoring record under Moyes is correct but I just can't get past how poor a player he is and how he adds absolutely nothing to the team apart from the goal return.

 

[Bilko]

I think the question is would you pay 26 million for him ?. Personally I wouldn't, I also don't think we would get that amount if we tried to move him on.