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Manchester City's Sham Trial

hallamblue said:
I don't think there's any way they will admit they were guilty of anything. The whole thing is a nonsense anyway, why shouldn't clubs be allowed to spend whatever they like providing they're not loading unsustainable debt onto the football club? These rules came in after some clubs went bust and that's what they're supposedly designed to stop happening.
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Plenty of clubs were allowed to go bust down the years but it was when Leeds got into big trouble that something was done to address the problem. Unfortunately all this has done is help keep the top few well ahead of the rest while all the rest struggle to stay within the rules.
Maybe the powers that be should put more focus on their checks to see if potential owners are "fit and proper" to run a football club before they run clubs into bankruptcy. Sheffield Wednesday are a big example of this check not being fit for purpose.
 

Timbucktoo said:
Plenty of clubs were allowed to go bust down the years but it was when Leeds got into big trouble that something was done to address the problem. Unfortunately all this has done is help keep the top few well ahead of the rest while all the rest struggle to stay within the rules.
Maybe the powers that be should put more focus on their checks to see if potential owners are "fit and proper" to run a football club before they run clubs into bankruptcy. Sheffield Wednesday are a big example of this check not being fit for purpose.
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It's true what you're saying, but until the other 14 clubs grow a set and stand up to the sly six / Masters and Co, nothing will change. I would have loved the other sly six clubs to have joined that super league, after at first being sickened by it because what we've got now is a watered down version of Super league that's in operation. The other day Carragher was saying if Everton continue to improve they will soon hit the barriers that Newcastle and Villa have hit, which is to sell one of you're best players to the sly six for PSR reasons, while the six continue to spend regardless with their unlimited budgets. It's a league within a league.
 
mahermi1 said:
It's true what you're saying, but until the other 14 clubs grow a set and stand up to the sly six / Masters and Co, nothing will change. I would have loved the other sly six clubs to have joined that super league, after at first being sickened by it because what we've got now is a watered down version of Super league that's in operation. The other day Carragher was saying if Everton continue to improve they will soon hit the barriers that Newcastle and Villa have hit, which is to sell one of you're best players to the sly six for PSR reasons, while the six continue to spend regardless with their unlimited budgets. It's a league within a league.
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There is another option that we could look at. We could openly stick two fingers up to the PSR rules, spend to improve the squad, take a points deduction knowing we have made our squad strong enough to cope with a points deduction and get qualifying for Europe every year. No better time to do it than now since United and Spurs are at a low with ground to make up to recover their top 6 spots, and the likes of Newcastle and Villa running out of ideas on how to keep challenging after a couple of seasons at the sharp end of the PL.
 
mahermi1 said:
It's true what you're saying, but until the other 14 clubs grow a set and stand up to the sly six / Masters and Co, nothing will change. I would have loved the other sly six clubs to have joined that super league, after at first being sickened by it because what we've got now is a watered down version of Super league that's in operation. The other day Carragher was saying if Everton continue to improve they will soon hit the barriers that Newcastle and Villa have hit, which is to sell one of you're best players to the sly six for PSR reasons, while the six continue to spend regardless with their unlimited budgets. It's a league within a league.
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As I've said before those 6 clubs had no intention of leaving the Premier League . They would have joined the European Super League and played in the Premier League as well, that was their stated intention.
 
Timbucktoo said:
There is another option that we could look at. We could openly stick two fingers up to the PSR rules, spend to improve the squad, take a points deduction knowing we have made our squad strong enough to cope with a points deduction and get qualifying for Europe every year. No better time to do it than now since United and Spurs are at a low with ground to make up to recover their top 6 spots, and the likes of Newcastle and Villa running out of ideas on how to keep challenging after a couple of seasons at the sharp end of the PL.
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Was thinking why Newcastle haven't or don't do this during the whole Isak thing. Just go out and sign the top players, take the points deduction for a season but then dominate for years afterwards.

Was thinking it could only be that the wages they would have to pay out to get the players would mean they would end up breaching PSR season after season, meaning points deductions every year.
 

DavenBlue said:
Was thinking why Newcastle haven't or don't do this during the whole Isak thing. Just go out and sign the top players, take the points deduction for a season but then dominate for years afterwards.

Was thinking it could only be that the wages they would have to pay out to get the players would mean they would end up breaching PSR season after season, meaning points deductions every year.
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Both Villa and Newcastle have stadium developments in their future plans to take into account too, which is something we have out of the way. I wouldn`t like us to out and sign big money players that are only too ready to jump ship when certain clubs start sniffing around, but it would be great to see us as a really great draw for the best young talent in the country before they make a big impact. I the signing of Dibling comes good other young players might think twice about going to the likes of Chelsea, where they just become another wage and player to loan out every summer, and sign up for us knowing that they are being signed to play football and hopefully challenge for trophies.
 
DavenBlue said:
Was thinking why Newcastle haven't or don't do this during the whole Isak thing. Just go out and sign the top players, take the points deduction for a season but then dominate for years afterwards.

Was thinking it could only be that the wages they would have to pay out to get the players would mean they would end up breaching PSR season after season, meaning points deductions every year.
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When they took over Newcastle they said their target was sustainable growth, they've never operated under the same model as City.
 
Timbucktoo said:
There is another option that we could look at. We could openly stick two fingers up to the PSR rules, spend to improve the squad, take a points deduction knowing we have made our squad strong enough to cope with a points deduction and get qualifying for Europe every year. No better time to do it than now since United and Spurs are at a low with ground to make up to recover their top 6 spots, and the likes of Newcastle and Villa running out of ideas on how to keep challenging after a couple of seasons at the sharp end of the PL.
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If we do that we'd be looking at an unprecedented 100 points deduction though. They tried to hit us with 20 (or more?) initially after all.

Nothing will happen to City and Chelsea, and I expect United to join the circus of PSR-subverting tactics soon enough - their stadium is falling apart and all after all, we can't be having United in a bad spot (ignore the past 10 years of finishes tho okay?).

Shambles.
 

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