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Levy gone!



Creek said:
The flip side of that coin is getting called bottle jobs for losing 1 game in 13.
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Not really, you're being called bottlejobs for being bottlejobs, not for losing 1 game in 13. You've done it several times while having generational players - almost finishing 2nd, almost getting to that final, almost winning the final when you do, almost this, almost that, almost. In the same vein as we're "Everton that" for effing up enormously - you're "lads, it's Tottenham" when you bottle the next thing you inevitably will do. Like for example being 2:0 up against the best team in Europe currently and still finding a way to collapse in the last 5 min and then lose on pens.

The Euro cup you won is valid and a good achievement and you almost got relegated doing it which was funny, but you could/should've reached those finals in previous years too and you had the chances to do so, and the players/squads. Kane scoring 25-40 goals a season in all tournaments, staying with you, and winning genuinely nothing for it is egregious.

Anyway, this at least brings some, er, 'fun' to the international break. Didn't even know we were such a great destination for Spurs fans really.
 
Some of the revisionism over Levy is insane. Spur's fans in their mid-20s (so born post 2000), saying they've known nothing but misery.

He's been in charge for since 2000. In the 9 years before that, Spurs were very naff. Lower mid table Premier League side who flirted with a relegation scrap now and again.

I mean, if you go back to 2000, on any metric which constitutes being a "big club", you wouldn't put Spurs any higher than Everton, Villa, Leeds or Newcastle. Between 2000 and 2010, there was the "big 4", made up of Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd. This then extended to the "big 6", and in fairness to Levy, Spurs are considered part of it, when historically, I don't think they have any right to.

Prior to Levy, they had played in the European Cup once I think (61-62). However, under Levy they qualified 7 times!

A good analogy would be to consider how Levy took over at Spurs as roughly the same time Kenwright took over us. Now look at the trajectory of both clubs since that point.
 
DualityNSNO said:
Not really, you're being called bottlejobs for being bottlejobs, not for losing 1 game in 13. You've done it several times while having generational players - almost finishing 2nd, almost getting to that final, almost winning the final when you do, almost this, almost that, almost. In the same vein as we're "Everton that" for effing up enormously - you're "lads, it's Tottenham" when you bottle the next thing you inevitably will do. Like for example being 2:0 up against the best team in Europe currently and still finding a way to collapse in the last 5 min and then lose on pens.

The Euro cup you won is valid and a good achievement and you almost got relegated doing it which was funny, but you could/should've reached those finals in previous years too and you had the chances to do so, and the players/squads. Kane scoring 25-40 goals a season in all tournaments, staying with you, and winning genuinely nothing for it is egregious.

Anyway, this at least brings some, er, 'fun' to the international break. Didn't even know we were such a great destination for Spurs fans really.
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Every team messes these situations up - look at Fergies United, 8 points clear with 6 games to go. Losing to Deportivo in the CL, then Porto, almost beating Barca in the final. You can say it about every side going as it happens to everyone, even your neighbours getting 90 points plus but finishing second to City or throwing away a 3-0 lead to Palace with 10 mins to getting Karius’d in the CL final, Gerrards slip. City themselves losing cup finals to Wigan and Palace.

That makes them all bottlers - but apparently it’s only us. Yet when we win Europes second cup and finish 17th - that’s not considered Spursy. Or being the side to stop United winning the quadruple in 99 or beating title winning Chelsea in the league cup final in 08 or coming back from 3-0 down in Amsterdam with 45 mins to go with Kane injured, Son suspended and Llorente leading the line.

Hence why after the Europa win the club now sells merchandise with “lads it’s Tottenham” and “Spursy” written on it. Apply special rules to us and we will just rub it in their faces when fortune reverses
 

balggy said:
Some of the revisionism over Levy is insane. Spur's fans in their mid-20s (so born post 2000), saying they've known nothing but misery.

He's been in charge for since 2000. In the 9 years before that, Spurs were very naff. Lower mid table Premier League side who flirted with a relegation scrap now and again.

I mean, if you go back to 2000, on any metric which constitutes being a "big club", you wouldn't put Spurs any higher than Everton, Villa, Leeds or Newcastle. Between 2000 and 2010, there was the "big 4", made up of Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd. This then extended to the "big 6", and in fairness to Levy, Spurs are considered part of it, when historically, I don't think they have any right to.

Prior to Levy, they had played in the European Cup once I think (61-62). However, under Levy they qualified 7 times!

A good analogy would be to consider how Levy took over at Spurs as roughly the same time Kenwright took over us. Now look at the trajectory of both clubs since that point.
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1991 to 2000 we won the FA cup and League cup. The decade before that we won back to back FA cups, and the UEFA cup.

2000 to 2024 we won 1 league cup - aside from the war years that was our worst trophy drought in our history.

When you say very naff you mean the league - but we have a history of being naff in the league and over performing in cups, the clubs built on it. Last season was like going back 40 years, it was proper Tottenham again.

The games about glory and winning trophies, not about finishing 4th and qualifying for the champions league
 
Creek said:
1991 to 2000 we won the FA cup and League cup. The decade before that we won back to back FA cups, and the UEFA cup.

2000 to 2024 we won 1 league cup - aside from the war years that was our worst trophy drought in our history.

When you say very naff you mean the league - but we have a history of being naff in the league and over performing in cups, the clubs built on it. Last season was like going back 40 years, it was proper Tottenham again.

The games about glory and winning trophies, not about finishing 4th and qualifying for the champions league
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I mean naff compared to most clubs you would consider a competitor. There was nothing that made Spurs stand out in 2000 as being any bigger than Villa, Newcastle, Leeds or Everton.

Villa won a league cup in 1996 and were a lot more competitive in the League. Challenged United in the first season of the PL.

Newcastle, despite their lack of trophies, were regularly getting to cup finals and were a genuine competitor for the title, and should have won it in 96.

Leeds won the league in 1992 and were hitting a Champions League semi final in 2000-2001.

Everton, absolutely rubbish in the 90s, but still won an FA Cup, destroying a much media fancied Spurs with Klinsmann in the semi final.

You ask any neutral in 2000 whether Spurs were bigger than Villa, Newcastle, Everton or Leeds, and you are probably getting a no. There is literally no footballing metric to say they were bigger. Other than being a club based in London, so able to benefit from increased customers for fancy corporate hospitality. But I don't consider that the be what makes a club "big". But in 2025, sadly it does, and Levy got that.
 

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