2025/26 Adam Aznou

davek said:
I'm sick of him. He's held Everton back. People like to kid themselves he's been a major success for us when he hasn't.

Seeing him waltz into the press conferences with his sub-Ancelotti coffee cup sipping routine is hysterical when all he's won is the lowest ranking euro trophy there is in his 30 year career as a manager.
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You lost your manager evaluation rights when you tried to convince everyone we needed to stick with Dyche and would be in big relegation trouble if we let him go.
 

Drico said:
Oh, I wouldn't be without him. Unquestionably the most entertaining poster on the site.

I fundamentally disagree with Dave on many things, but if there's one thing I have learned over the years it's that when you strip back the contrary hyperbole and ludicrously provocative comedy stances, there is very often a small uncomforable kernel of bitter indigestible truth at the centre of his ostensibly preposterous arguments. It's the exaggeration that explodes his arguments and makes him simultaneously hilarious and a bad actor. Not to mention a traffic driver on here. But look very closely, and amid the madness is very often that grain of unpalatable, unswallowable truth.

Take the latest one that Moyes held us back. Now, on the face of it, that's an unfair charge to level at a very competent manager who has basically been our best since we were last relevant in the last century. Yet, it is undeniable that he was Bill Kenwright's indispensable shield, without whom the worst chairman in our history could not have continued his reign of weaponised nostalgic decline. Another manager would have openly demanded more from Kewnright, and gone if he didn't get it, but Moyes was a company man at heart as he diligently did his best without seriously rocking the boat. He then jumped ship without signing a contract extension that would have given us compensation. So, while Moyes did a really solid job for Everton, he certainly did an even better one for Kewnright who was unquestionably the individual who did more to "hold us back" than any other since Clive Thomas in 1977 or Margaret Thatcher with Heysel. Controversial? Absolutely. But arguable. Getting upset with Dave's confected flights of comedy fancy strikes me as more ludicrous than even his whipped-up arguments...
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Excellent.
 
COYBL25 said:
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Sound the klaxon.
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You forgot the main character mate.

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carolinablue232 said:
You lost your manager evaluation rights when you tried to convince everyone we needed to stick with Dyche and would be in big relegation trouble if we let him go.
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Dyche saved this club in the points deduction season...saved us and had us on 48 points for the season with a terrible squad of players full of tripe hounds and malingerers.

The fact that I and some others acknowledge that is to our credit and shouldn't be belittled.
 
Drico said:
Oh, I wouldn't be without him. Unquestionably the most entertaining poster on the site.

I fundamentally disagree with Dave on many things, but if there's one thing I have learned over the years it's that when you strip back the contrary hyperbole and ludicrously provocative comedy stances, there is very often a small uncomforable kernel of bitter indigestible truth at the centre of his ostensibly preposterous arguments. It's the exaggeration that explodes his arguments and makes him simultaneously hilarious and a bad actor. Not to mention a traffic driver on here. But look very closely, and amid the madness is very often that grain of unpalatable, unswallowable truth.

Take the latest one that Moyes held us back. Now, on the face of it, that's an unfair charge to level at a very competent manager who has basically been our best since we were last relevant in the last century. Yet, it is undeniable that he was Bill Kenwright's indispensable shield, without whom the worst chairman in our history could not have continued his reign of weaponised nostalgic decline. Another manager would have openly demanded more from Kewnright, and gone if he didn't get it, but Moyes was a company man at heart as he diligently did his best without seriously rocking the boat. He then jumped ship without signing a contract extension that would have given us compensation. So, while Moyes did a really solid job for Everton, he certainly did an even better one for Kewnright who was unquestionably the individual who did more to "hold us back" than any other since Clive Thomas in 1977 or Margaret Thatcher with Heysel. Controversial? Absolutely. But arguable. Getting upset with Dave's confected flights of comedy fancy strikes me as more ludicrous than even his whipped-up arguments...
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Excellent post.
 

davek said:
Dyche saved this club in the points deduction season...saved us and had us on 48 points for the season with a terrible squad of players full of tripe hounds and malingerers.

The fact that I and some others acknowledge that is to our credit and shouldn't be belittled.
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Everyone acknowledged that. Problem is David, we were in a totally different season and he was holding us back…as your new whipping boy proved 10x over.
 
davek said:
Dyche saved this club in the points deduction season...saved us and had us on 48 points for the season with a terrible squad of players full of tripe hounds and malingerers.

The fact that I and some others acknowledge that is to our credit and shouldn't be belittled.
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He didnt save us, his appalling standard of management dragged us into a relegation battle.

Then Moyes came in and showed him up in a huge way.
 
Drico said:
Take the latest one that Moyes held us back. Now, on the face of it, that's an unfair charge to level at a very competent manager who has basically been our best since we were last relevant in the last century. Yet, it is undeniable that he was Bill Kenwright's indispensable shield, without whom the worst chairman in our history could not have continued his reign of weaponised nostalgic decline. Another manager would have openly demanded more from Kewnright, and gone if he didn't get it, but Moyes was a company man at heart as he diligently did his best without seriously rocking the boat. He then jumped ship without signing a contract extension that would have given us compensation. So, while Moyes did a really solid job for Everton, he certainly did an even better one for Kewnright who was unquestionably the individual who did more to "hold us back" than any other since Clive Thomas in 1977 or Margaret Thatcher with Heysel.
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Sorry, just wanted to talk about this part. Are we going to do a revisionist history where we fancifully imagine that if Moyes resigns, Kenwright decides to sell the club? Id suggest thats an absolutely ludicrous argument to make. Kenwright wasnt just some guy who was voted in as CEO. He literally owned the club, and made it perfectly clear he was always going to run Everton.

Do you REALLY believe that if Moyes had resigned, and fans were upset, that at any point in the past 20 years Kenwright would have relinquished control? No! He owned Everton, he controlled Everton, and made it clear he would not give it up. In his final years he went out of his way to reject suitors until he could find one that would pay him lots of money, AND let him keep control of Everton. When he ran the club into the ground, anger and protests abounded, and what happened? NOTHING. Lest you forget after ALL that went on Kenwright never resigned. He died. You couldnt force him out if you tried, and you did. Giving Moyes fault for this, for winning too many matches and not getting himself fired, is a bridge way too far.
 

Goat said:
He didnt save us, his appalling standard of management dragged us into a relegation battle.

Then Moyes came in and showed him up in a huge way.
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His appalling standard of play handed 11 deduction points to the club and he had £150M of players sold on him because he was appalling?
 
Drico said:
Oh, I wouldn't be without him. Unquestionably the most entertaining poster on the site.

I fundamentally disagree with Dave on many things, but if there's one thing I have learned over the years it's that when you strip back the contrary hyperbole and ludicrously provocative comedy stances, there is very often a small uncomforable kernel of bitter indigestible truth at the centre of his ostensibly preposterous arguments. It's the exaggeration that explodes his arguments and makes him simultaneously hilarious and a bad actor. Not to mention a traffic driver on here. But look very closely, and amid the madness is very often that grain of unpalatable, unswallowable truth.

Take the latest one that Moyes held us back. Now, on the face of it, that's an unfair charge to level at a very competent manager who has basically been our best since we were last relevant in the last century. Yet, it is undeniable that he was Bill Kenwright's indispensable shield, without whom the worst chairman in our history could not have continued his reign of weaponised nostalgic decline. Another manager would have openly demanded more from Kewnright, and gone if he didn't get it, but Moyes was a company man at heart as he diligently did his best without seriously rocking the boat. He then jumped ship without signing a contract extension that would have given us compensation. So, while Moyes did a really solid job for Everton, he certainly did an even better one for Kewnright who was unquestionably the individual who did more to "hold us back" than any other since Clive Thomas in 1977 or Margaret Thatcher with Heysel. Controversial? Absolutely. But arguable. Getting upset with Dave's confected flights of comedy fancy strikes me as more ludicrous than even his whipped-up arguments...
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The thing about objective opinions that are usually decided on and weighed up before being shared is that they are more often than not shared as black or white. It is easy for a contrarian to find a 'kernel of truth' with such a bountiful grey area to source it.

I'd argue Kenwright benefitted from Moyes more because he was good at his job and covered the failings above more than by being a company man. Also Moyes was given his top flight shot at that time with Kenwrights backing, not easy for him to go throwing tantrums.

It's all perspective, and nearly everyone speaks some truth. No awards for for being a contrarian though because those kernels of truth are everywhere, and now and then @davek is bound to get one right against the majority view, such as Patterson. He can pat himself on the back for that one in the end, but I'm not gonna praise him for taking an easily taken contrary stance on pretty much everything 😆

Anyway, like yourself, wouldn't have it any other way. Suggestions of 'not being allowed post' are crazy. If we all said the same thing there'd be nobody on here
 

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