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I suppose this is the best place to put this cautionary tale.
Wimbledon vs MK Dons. We have a precedent. Geography an enabler for the u.s. teams, there isn't really the space to shift man utd down to Cornwall for instance.
 
Wimbledon vs MK Dons. We have a precedent. Geography an enabler for the u.s. teams, there isn't really the space to shift man utd down to Cornwall for instance.
Its the total opposite between here and the states. In the US and sports team can up sticks and relocate to a different city, and plenty of cities will go a long way on delivering a team whatever they demand just to have an NFL or MLB or NBA team based in their city. Over here it can cause a serious problem if a club suggest moving to a new stadium a few miles away that the club is going to fund themselves.
 

I suppose this is the best place to put this cautionary tale.

If United are given public money to facilitate their new stadium I will be livid. Andy Burnham would go down hugely in my estimations for supporting it.
 
If United are given public money to facilitate their new stadium I will be livid. Andy Burnham would go down hugely in my estimations for supporting it.
I don't think it will happen...there isn't enough public money really, and whereas they will spend money on infrastructure projects, not quite sure this one will meet the threshold of value for money. Return on investment would he negligible, especially knowing that united will eventually build a stadium, public money or not
 
Moving the railway works to St Helens means any development will be telegrammed way before they break ground.

Had BMD been capable, could it have been designed just by extending the footprint to carry another 50k seats? By that I mean, no stanchions, all seeing sight lines, that hyper capacity that man utd seem to be fixated upon. What difficulties are there delivering 100k seated and the safe means of entrance and dispersal?
 
Moving the railway works to St Helens means any development will be telegrammed way before they break ground.

Had BMD been capable, could it have been designed just by extending the footprint to carry another 50k seats? By that I mean, no stanchions, all seeing sight lines, that hyper capacity that man utd seem to be fixated upon. What difficulties are there delivering 100k seated and the safe means of entrance and dispersal?
To maintain sightlines you would massively sacrifice atmosphere- the back third of seats would be absolutley miles from the pitch. The cost also goes absolutely through the roof, exponentially with more seats. AFAIK BMD cost around £800m, but making it even 60k would've probably tipped over a billion. 100k capacity in a brand new modern stadium, and all it entails would be an absolutley eye watering sum, which is why Radcliffe is trying to get the gov to help fund it. In Spain RM and Barcelona have both renovated their grounds rather than totally rebuild, cost will have factored into that as well as all the safety kinds of stuff.

Generally clubs have realised its better to have a slightly smaller capacity that is always full, than a big one that has empty seats. Much like everything else at that club, Utd are behind the curve on that- or they are confident they could fill it every game.
 

To maintain sightlines you would massively sacrifice atmosphere- the back third of seats would be absolutley miles from the pitch. The cost also goes absolutely through the roof, exponentially with more seats. AFAIK BMD cost around £800m, but making it even 60k would've probably tipped over a billion. 100k capacity in a brand new modern stadium, and all it entails would be an absolutley eye watering sum, which is why Radcliffe is trying to get the gov to help fund it. In Spain RM and Barcelona have both renovated their grounds rather than totally rebuild, cost will have factored into that as well as all the safety kinds of stuff.

Generally clubs have realised its better to have a slightly smaller capacity that is always full, than a big one that has empty seats. Much like everything else at that club, Utd are behind the curve on that- or they are confident they could fill it every game.
I thought of the two Spanish examples, they've redeveloped in pieces and kept the rest of the ground going to keep revenue streams up. Spain is a very different climate, and they play a lot of evening games, so they've not got the harshness of weather to cope with directly. So Dortmunds in Germany is the largest at 81.4k

Well, this is pleasant.


Goodison is on the popular list.

Edit* yet they've not updated yet with the Hill Dickinson.
 
I don't think it will happen...there isn't enough public money really, and whereas they will spend money on infrastructure projects, not quite sure this one will meet the threshold of value for money. Return on investment would he negligible, especially knowing that united will eventually build a stadium, public money or not

I hope you’re right, as I’m not so sure.
 

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