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[Gilbert..]

Blaming the market for poor recruitment is easy; winning teams focus on solutions, not excuses—identifying talent creatively and executing with discipline regardless of brand or budget. Employee's are paid to find soultions not feed off excuses.

To an extent. I hate to pick out the obvious model Brighton. They have identified talent in the time of Tony blooms ownership and brought it to the club for the manager to use. We started this season with one of the smallest squads possibly the prem has seen at any club, with one fit fullback, who is even now injured. We couldnt even fill the bench in a pre season tournament in America like the other 3 clubs could.
You've got to at least give someone a base to start off with to find solutions.

 

[jceverton]

That is the way I see it also .
In which case Moyes must also be culpable for failing to identify attainable targets ( or maybe realistic alternatives) . Which implies to my admittedly prejudiced eyes that his deliberately public complaints had as much to do with shifting blame than solving the problems.
His complaints also cast doubts on the ( which I shared) argument that the window could only be judged fairly at the close since it’s clearly evident that something has gone awry.
From the outside it appears that not enough preparation had been made in identifying targets and establishing the chances of gaining the signatures.
Initially the list appears to have been small, and rather obvious with few alternatives.
When he was here last time Moyes gained a lot of respect ,quite rightly , for his astuteness in the transfer market. But on the flip side he also claimed the nickname of ‘Dithering Davey’ for his occasional hesitancy and indecision.
Perhaps we have seen too much of the latter and not enough of the former in this window so far?

It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s gone through targets that Thelwell had produced and taken a few that he’s liked the look of and just added some of his own to the mix. Either way it’s not a coherent transfer policy. It’s a long time since he was at Everton and things have moved on a lot. Also I always thought his transfers were much better when he had limited funds and poor when he had money to spend. His transfer record at West Ham wasn't good.

 

[James Patrick]

It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s gone through targets that Thelwell had produced and taken a few that he’s liked the look of and just added some of his own to the mix. Either way it’s not a coherent transfer policy. It’s a long time since he was at Everton and things have moved on a lot. Also I always thought his transfers were much better when he had limited funds and poor when he had money to spend. His transfer record at West Ham wasn't good.

He rarely if ever had the same level of money as the teams we were consistently coming up short against.

 

[Mick OMalley]

It’s just more of the same. That’s what’s so dispiriting about Everton, nothing ever changes.

The football played is exactly the same no matter who the manager is (except for one season under Martinez and 7 games under Ancelotti). It’s low/mid block long ball rubbish with the hope we might get something from a turnover high up the pitch, a knockdown, or a set piece.

No matter who we bring in the team looks slow, weak, and technically poor. Every player we buy eventually devolves to this level even after a bright start.

We always have a glut of injuries, usually all in similar positions so we consistently have problems like no striker, no right back, no holding midfielder, no right winger.

We won’t win away at any of the top 6 grounds even though teams like Palace Bournemouth Brentford have no problem doing this.

We won’t win either Derby.

We won’t win a trophy.

There will be minimal away wins.

There will be absolutely minimal moments of pure joy for fans e.g last minute winner, comeback wins, direct free kicks, wonder goals.

We’ll stay close enough to bottom half trouble throughout the majority of the season playing turgid one paced football until February at which point being completely out of everything we’ll beat a few teams at home we’re supposed to beat once there’s no pressure on. If the fans are very very lucky there might be a home win v Chelsea or Spurs but barely ever Liverpool. Optimism will ramp up for the next season…..

And we’ll do the exact same again.

Excellent post, it's hard to disagree with anything you've said, I'm 56 and bar a few seasons in the 80s and as you say Roberto's first season and a couple of months under Carlo I've watched the same turgid garbage season after season

 

[Mick OMalley]

Clubs pathetic. It does my head in. It ruins most weekends over the last 5
Years

It's ruined most of mine over the last 45 years

 

[davek]

It’s just more of the same. That’s what’s so dispiriting about Everton, nothing ever changes.

The football played is exactly the same no matter who the manager is (except for one season under Martinez and 7 games under Ancelotti). It’s low/mid block long ball rubbish with the hope we might get something from a turnover high up the pitch, a knockdown, or a set piece.

No matter who we bring in the team looks slow, weak, and technically poor. Every player we buy eventually devolves to this level even after a bright start.

We always have a glut of injuries, usually all in similar positions so we consistently have problems like no striker, no right back, no holding midfielder, no right winger.

We won’t win away at any of the top 6 grounds even though teams like Palace Bournemouth Brentford have no problem doing this.

We won’t win either Derby.

We won’t win a trophy.

There will be minimal away wins.

There will be absolutely minimal moments of pure joy for fans e.g last minute winner, comeback wins, direct free kicks, wonder goals.

We’ll stay close enough to bottom half trouble throughout the majority of the season playing turgid one paced football until February at which point being completely out of everything we’ll beat a few teams at home we’re supposed to beat once there’s no pressure on. If the fans are very very lucky there might be a home win v Chelsea or Spurs but barely ever Liverpool. Optimism will ramp up for the next season…..

And we’ll do the exact same again.

As I said to you at the time mate: we needed Moyes not to get that new contract. And neither, btw, should we have gone for TFG group's target of Thomas Frank, because he would also have fallen into the hoofball trap all too early.

I know I always go on about him, but Iraola was the man we should have turned to. He's turned a team of journeymen into players other clubs want and he has a young Bournemouth team playing with power and pace. They run hard and attack at speed.

He'd have been the fresh air we needed to break out of the stale culture you describe.

Someone else will get him now.

 

[jceverton]

As I said to you at the time mate: we needed Moyes not to get that new contract. And neither, btw, should we have gone for TFG group's target of Thomas Frank, because he would also have fallen into the hoofball trap all too early.

I know I always go on about him, but Iraola was the man we should have turned to. He's turned a team of journeymen into players other clubs want and he has a young Bournemouth team playing with power and pace. They run hard and attack at speed.

He'd have been the fresh air we needed to break out of the stale culture you describe.

Someone else will get him now.

I know you don't want to hear it but it's not just about the manager in the modern game, it's also massively about the DOF and the recruitment. For example Forest and Bournemouth have got good DOF and therefore good recruitment. Iraola hasn't been successful in a vacuum. I 100% agree with you about Moyes, we should have kept Thelwell on in my opinion and put him in charge of recruiting the manager. That's how successful clubs operate. TFG are in my view a slightly better version than Moshiri, the problem is neither of them know how to run a successful football club.

 

[davek]

I know you don't want to hear it but it's not just about the manager in the modern game, it's also massively about the DOF and the recruitment. For example Forest and Bournemouth have got good DOF and therefore good recruitment. Iraola hasn't been successful in a vacuum. I 100% agree with you about Moyes, we should have kept Thelwell on in my opinion and put him in charge of recruiting the manager. That's how successful clubs operate. TFG are in my view a slightly better version than Moshiri, the problem is neither of them know how to run a successful football club.

I think we'll eventually pull this round to get enough in to survive this season and with Moyes in charge. But we need shut of him ASAP.

And we need these owners to carry out an investigation of the summer at this club and fix what went wrong.

 

[Simon Buttle]

I know you don't want to hear it but it's not just about the manager in the modern game, it's also massively about the DOF and the recruitment. For example Forest and Bournemouth have got good DOF and therefore good recruitment. Iraola hasn't been successful in a vacuum. I 100% agree with you about Moyes, we should have kept Thelwell on in my opinion and put him in charge of recruiting the manager. That's how successful clubs operate. TFG are in my view a slightly better version than Moshiri, the problem is neither of them know how to run a successful football club.

It very much is though. We are one of a handful of clubs across the big leagues that still seem to have an obsession with these old school manager types like Moyes and Dyche who want maximum control over everything. Most clubs now are doing the DoF/Head coach thing, and tbh Id far rather someone who just concentrates on improving players and tactics and is just a training ground monster and leave the other stuff to people being paid in that role.