New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[BullensRoad]

Pretty sure I read somewhere years ago (when this heritage site nonsense first came up) that BMD is actually outside of the boundary of what UNESCO deemed to be the heritage site. They wanted to strip us of it years ago during the Liverpool One development/capital of culture era. They just used us an excuse so they didn’t look like the bad guys.

It was the black buildings on man island that made some cranks on their board lose their head.

A city in Germany lost it because they built a bridge. They're nothing but a bunch of freeks with an agenda trying to justify their jobs.

Liverpool has the most listed buildings on the docks. It made 0 sense.

 

[BullensRoad]

True story,my first ever derby “over there” ,the Floorcloth last minute winner,Grand National morning 1976,my recently dearly departed Dad had somehow manage to acquire seats right on the halfway line in their main stand,before the game my old fella was showing me the Anny Road End which was mainly a sea of Blue and White,then he looked to the right and told me that was the Kop,we were surrounded by that lot,I looked at my dad in my blue and white bobble hat and scarf both knitted by my nan and said in a loud voice,”Yes Dad,it’s really not a patch on Goodison is it?”And it truly wasn’t back then,out of the mouths of babes and infants eh?

Love that. Thanks for sharing mate.

We can now say the same!

 

[James Patrick]

Everton subsequently dumbed down that plan.

 

[The binman chronicles]

At the Roma game, all I noticed was this
on the southwest area, there might be more on the northwest area
...However i couldn't get all the way around the West stand, due to the players coming in/out, so it was cordoned off!!

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The South end of the Western Terrace will be the only area that the Fan Wall 'The Originals' will be.

Everton added the above to indicate how it will look to tempt more to buy in, it won't be properly installed until the Autumn where it should be longer and have signage and details about each player...

 

[Simo]

It wasn’t - or shouldn’t be. Certainly wasn’t told it was when buying my season ticket in block 226.

Have you been told it is?

Didn’t try to buy a ticket for the Carabao cup game as I can’t go to that one, but will be a little annoyed for future cup games if I lose my seat when it wasn’t mentioned as being a risk at time of purchase

Exactly, no I haven't and no it wasn't. 227 upwards only. We must all ring the box office today and complain, else this sort of thing will continue. I'm ringing deffo

 

[Tom Hughes]

Tbh, I'm not sure if that comparison with the Kop is using the original Meis design which was for 60k+ and therefore larger than what we have. It is also shown as a full single tier. So this is not really a true representation.

However, it does illustrate a couple of things. Firstly, the difference between "looking bigger" and actually being bigger. The Kop is a much shallower single tier, but has 76 rows at its deepest, compared to 60 (or 63)rows at our South Stand. Of course our stand makes up for less rows by filling the corners to complete an upper bowl, but there isn't that much difference in capacity.

Secondly, and relating more to some of the posts about atmosphere...... if you overlay both actual stand cross sections, you can also clearly see the contrast in how the fans relate to the roofs in both stands. If you draw a line from the roofs leading edge at 45° down to the seated tier, then count the number of rows back to the rear of the stand, you have some indication of the acoustic-catchment of the stand, ie the number of rows that get the acoustic benefit from that roof. At the Kop, the roof is much closer to the fans, and it is angled slightly down.... giving it a much larger acoustic catchment than at BMD. I haven't done the same exercise for the new Anfield Rd stand, but that has 83 rows over 2 tiers, and is much steeper than the Kop, so is probably a better comparison to our South stand in terms of both height and acoustics.

 

[John BCN]

Tbh, I'm not sure if that comparison with the Kop is using the original Meis design which was for 60k+ and therefore larger than what we have. It is also shown as a full single tier. So this is not really a true representation.

However, it does illustrate a couple of things. Firstly, the difference between "looking bigger" and actually being bigger. The Kop is a much shallower single tier, but has 76 rows at its deepest, compared to 60 (or 63)rows at our South Stand. Of course our stand makes up for less rows by filling the corners to complete an upper bowl, but there isn't that much difference in capacity.

Secondly, and relating more to some of the posts about atmosphere...... if you overlay both actual stand cross sections, you can also clearly see the contrast in how the fans relate to the roofs in both stands. If you draw a line from the roofs leading edge at 45° down to the seated tier, then count the number of rows back to the rear of the stand, you have some indication of the acoustic-catchment of the stand, ie the number of rows that get the acoustic benefit from that roof. At the Kop, the roof is much closer to the fans, and it is angled slightly down.... giving it a much larger acoustic catchment than at BMD. I haven't done the same exercise for the new Anfield Rd stand, but that has 83 rows over 2 tiers, and is much steeper than the Kop, so is probably a better comparison to our South stand in terms of both height and acoustics.

Good points but you also need to bear in mind that the Kop has an xT ratio of 89.6%. For the Anfield Road xT rises even further to 93.4%. I understand from the planning documents that xT for the South Stand will be only around 13.4%. This has got to make a massive difference to the relative atmospheres at the two grounds even though LFC have been issuing hymn sheets to counteract their disadvantage.

(xT = 'expected tourist')...

 

[mrsnugfit]

Is it me or does it look far bigger than a 10k increase on Goodison? It looks huge. It even looks bigger than stadiums with a bigger capacity including the pit! I mean it obviously isn’t, but it gives that illusion.

It’s absolutely stunning by the way. Can’t wait for next Sunday.

Looks huge, I think non-Evertonians will be surprised it's only 52,000 - thanks to the lack of vision of our previous daft owners.

 

[davek]

Heads up:

National Geographic channel - new episode tonight 9pm. Documentary about how a stadium collapsed in high winds.

Might watch that instead of the match.

 

[mahermi1]

Heads up:

National Geographic channel - new episode tonight 9pm. Documentary about how a stadium collapsed in high winds.

Might watch that instead of the match.

Wait.... Dave was that stadium surrounded by massive Wind Turbines though...

 

[muckers]

Tbh, I'm not sure if that comparison with the Kop is using the original Meis design which was for 60k+ and therefore larger than what we have. It is also shown as a full single tier. So this is not really a true representation.

However, it does illustrate a couple of things. Firstly, the difference between "looking bigger" and actually being bigger. The Kop is a much shallower single tier, but has 76 rows at its deepest, compared to 60 (or 63)rows at our South Stand. Of course our stand makes up for less rows by filling the corners to complete an upper bowl, but there isn't that much difference in capacity.

Secondly, and relating more to some of the posts about atmosphere...... if you overlay both actual stand cross sections, you can also clearly see the contrast in how the fans relate to the roofs in both stands. If you draw a line from the roofs leading edge at 45° down to the seated tier, then count the number of rows back to the rear of the stand, you have some indication of the acoustic-catchment of the stand, ie the number of rows that get the acoustic benefit from that roof. At the Kop, the roof is much closer to the fans, and it is angled slightly down.... giving it a much larger acoustic catchment than at BMD. I haven't done the same exercise for the new Anfield Rd stand, but that has 83 rows over 2 tiers, and is much steeper than the Kop, so is probably a better comparison to our South stand in terms of both height and acoustics.

The South stand capacity is 14, 800.

The Kop is 12, 400 I think?

 

[muckers]

A second fence, further back than the North stand boundary line, has been erected?

Wonder if we’ve bought a bit more land? North stand expansion?

 

[Marius57]

Is it me or does it look far bigger than a 10k increase on Goodison? It looks huge. It even looks bigger than stadiums with a bigger capacity including the pit! I mean it obviously isn’t, but it gives that illusion.

It’s absolutely stunning by the way. Can’t wait for next Sunday.

Looks more because you can actually see the fans rather than just seeing steel pillars

 

[The binman chronicles]

A second fence, further back than the North stand boundary line, has been erected?

Wonder if we’ve bought a bit more land? North stand expansion?

Hopefully we have bought it off them. It would make sense to do it now whilst they can see exactly how much land has been taken temporarily, then you get used to not having it. Someone slaps down a few million, you'd kind of be crazy not to say yes.

 

[muckers]

Hopefully we have bought it off them. It would make sense to do it now whilst they can see exactly how much land has been taken temporarily, then you get used to not having it. Someone slaps down a few million, you'd kind of be crazy not to say yes.

Wonder how many extra seats would be provided if the North stand was brought up to the same level?

2/3k?