They will eventually want us to be fighting for Europe, but that won't be their expectations now, are you nuts.
They will eventually want us to be fighting for Europe, but that won't be their expectations now, are you nuts.
The season hasn't properly started and the bickering is happening.
Let's all perhaps calm down and assess in November. That's the earliest I think a manager war for 25/26 should truly start.
Let's all perhaps calm down and assess in November. That's the earliest I think a manager war for 25/26 should truly start.
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
If you read what I posted I suggested that this seasons target would be qualifying for European competition.
Their ultimate aim would be comparable as they seemingly have for Roma.
Also, I don’t think Moyes is going to be allowed to pootle along in mid table for the duration of his contract with no pressure. There have to be signs of progression , surely .?
And progression is measured by improved performances and higher finishing positions than the previous season .
We've not finished in the top half of the table, and even that was just 10th, since Carlo 5 years ago. Moyes has been lightly backed so far you'd say but you think if he doesn't qualify for Europe this season, so 7th, maybe 8th, they might fire him?
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
In this case I assume you mean being in or around the CL places in 2 seasons?
This season I would imagine they would expect us to be close to qualification for one of the lower European competitions .
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
You have low expectations.We've not finished in the top half of the table, and even that was just 10th, since Carlo 5 years ago. Moyes has been lightly backed so far you'd say but you think if he doesn't qualify for Europe this season, so 7th, maybe 8th, they might fire him?
Last season , following Moyes successful second half the season , the talk was that extrapolating his points total for a full season, we would have been securely amongst the European places.
Yet you are of the belief that this season he will be ok to regress from that point and finish in the lower half of the table , despite an injection of quality into the side ?
I hope our new owners have higher expectations than that, and closely scrutinise any failure to match his performance last season .
Where did I say this?
We need the excuse makers vs bed wetters war to finish on the 2nd of Sept before we move onto the manager war.
Dario Terracotta
Player Valuation: £70m
Scratch under the surface and it truly isn't what it's cracked up to be the PL,2 or 3 smart additions can completely change a clubs landscape/ambitions.
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
You didn’t to fair .
But I interpreted that you implied it.
If that was an erroneous assumption I apologise wholeheartedly for misconstruing your words.
Either way , I hope the minimum requirement this season is qualification for European competition anything less would be a failure in my eyes and I hope the administration view it similarly.
I personally think we're Top 10 material right now, barring injuries, but we definitely need more. I would like to think with 2-3 more players we could push for say Top 8 BUT, and I must stress the but part, I don't believe that should be a survive/sack ultimatum on Moyes if we don't.
We've been rubbish for years. We have strengthened, but so have most other teams.
I could be the minority with this view but when Moyes bemoans the lack of transfer activity success rate , I don't interpret him attacking or communicating more urgency from the recruitment team it feels more like a collective venting about the frustrations as if you know Moyes he's firmly involved with the recruitment teams efforts. Even at West ham when he wasn't directly controlling ever transfer decision he was still providing input, Moyes being at the mercy of a recruitment team doesn't jibe with what I know of Moyes.
yup
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
We are in agreement on everything I think apart from managerial culpability.
I think Moyes ( or any other incumbent) should be held responsible for the performance of the team .
Allowing the manager to escape any repercussions for poor performances, or failure to attain minimum targets is a poor way to run any business.
Minimum targets ( whatever they may be in this case ) should be achieved, that is why they are ‘minimum’ targets after all.
Failure to do so should always elicit a robust review at the least .
No, I mean challenging for European places within 2 seasons.
They aren't expecting Europe this season.
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