2025/26 David Moyes

[MikeH72]

Won’t rest until Moyes and TFG are gone from the club, only way he’ll be happy is if we’re Oil ran and had Martinez back in charge

Or Southgate.

 

[John from Bootle]

Moyes is a control freak annd he instigated it.

TFG have gone along with it.

Nice narrative, but you can't possibly know this.

But if we're making things up as fact, then I'm gonna say Moyes only instigated the head of scouting he's previously worked with for 10 years.

Besides, I doubt he'd be fuming with them if they were only there because they were all hand picked by Moyes. Doesn't even make sense.

 

[Benicetoourboys]

A wasp has just come into my front room - I'm naming him Davek.

 

[davek]

Dave, why are you advocating sacking a manager before you even know if he will deserve to be sacked by that point?

Do these sentiments ring any bells?...

Well I'm not advocating any hasty change of management. I recognise that this season in a new stadium is a danger..or can be. So Moyes can be a stabilising factor.

But the context has changed.

Now we have new ownership AND new surroundings.

Inevitably the demand is for success /progress more quickly.

It's a recognition of that.

IMO we should have dumped Moyes in the summer but only if we'd secured Iraola - who I think is a very talented manager and destined for bigger and better than Bournemouth.

 

[John from Bootle]

Well I'm not advocating any hasty change of management. I recognise that this season in a new stadium is a danger..or can be.

But the context has changed.

Now we have new ownership AND new surroundings.

Inevitably the demand is for success /progress more quickly.

It's a recognition of that.

IMO we should have dumped Moyes in the summer but only if we'd secured Iraola - who I think is a very talented manager and destined for bigger and better than Bournemouth.

That's my point though Dave. He didn't deserve to be sacked in the summer, but you were an advocate of that anyway. You don't know if he'll deserve to be sacked next summer either, but you're advocating that. It just seems at odds to me with previous sentiments expressed about stability. We're not Abramovich's Chelsea or Real Madrid, and we're a long way shy of attracting an elite manager. Any manager who makes season on season improvements deserves not to be sacked.

I'd rather us not go down the route of sacking managers just because the grass might be greener. Once you appoint a manager, you give him a fair chance, otherwise stability goes out the window and it can fast become a merry-go-round. History shows that chopping and changing for the sake of it rarely leads to success.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Wouldn't like to interview him when he's in one of his moods!

That said, I like a lot of the things he says and you can tell he has high standards. He gets what the club is about and knows that being in the bottom half isnt acceptable beyond a season or 2, whereas a Dyche was happy with us being there.

Also think his ambitions have grown due to his stint at West Ham and maturing as a manager.

I find it baffling that people even question him but understand people are going to see it their own way.

He will have us in the top 10 by next season at the latest and that would be massive progress given where we've been the last 5 years under some of those other managers who were nowhere near his level.

 

[davek]

That's my point though Dave. He didn't deserve to be sacked in the summer, but you were an advocate of that anyway. You don't know if he'll deserve to be sacked next summer either, but you're advocating that. It just seems at odds to me with previous sentiments expressed about stability. We're not Abramovich's Chelsea or Real Madrid, and we're a long way shy of attracting an elite manager. Any manager who makes season on season improvements deserves not to be sacked.

I'd rather us not go down the route of sacking managers just because the grass might be greener. Once you appoint a manager, you give him a fair chance, otherwise stability goes out the window and it can fast become a merry-go-round. History shows that chopping and changing for the sake of it rarely leads to success.

Stability is my watchword mate.

As I said: I'd have only accepted Iraola - who I think is an exceptional manager. And I've always stated Moyes will keep us safe....Ilm still saying that now for this season too.

But we have to move on from safety-first if we're going to progress.

Moyes would have it that we're a lucky club to have him to save us from ourselves...but then he would think that way wouldn't he?

This is a new era. We have to stabilise then move rapidly forward. And I say again what I've thought for a long time now: the PL is turd. We can - and we should expect - to be top half every single season. It's an appalling league.

 

[John from Bootle]

Stability is my watchword mate.

As I said: I'd have only accepted Iraola - who I think is an exceptional manager. And I've always stated Moyes will keep us safe....Ilm still saying that now for this season too.

But we have to move on from safety-first if we're going to progress.

Moyes would have it that we're a lucky club to have him to save us from ourselves...but then he would think that way wouldn't he?

This is a new era. We have to stabilise then move rapidly forward. And I say again what I've thought for a long time now: the PL is turd. We can - and we should expect - to be top half every single season. It's an appalling league.

I too think Iraola is a very promising manager Dave, and wouldn't be upset to see him rock up here at some point. What I wouldn't want us to do though is sack a manager who doesn't deserve it just to make it happen. Not least because because we'd still have to pay Moyes for a year and that's critical now more than ever. It's a 100% PSR loss (money down the drain), and Moyes' wages would pay this years installment for a £30 million player over 5 years.

I think we'll at least challenge for top half this season. We're gonna need a bit of luck with injuries, or least not too much bad luck. I'd personally be happy with just not worrying about a relegation scrap, at any point, from August until May. I'd see that as progress. Some might say we performed better than that after he came in, but for me that's progress, even if not quite linear. For me, there's at least 7 teams we won't finish above and that's not including Man Utd, so for me, anywhere between 8th and 12th will be fine, it will be fine margins that seperate those places.

 

[Goat]

Stability is my watchword mate.

As I said: I'd have only accepted Iraola - who I think is an exceptional manager. And I've always stated Moyes will keep us safe....Ilm still saying that now for this season too.

But we have to move on from safety-first if we're going to progress.

Moyes would have it that we're a lucky club to have him to save us from ourselves...but then he would think that way wouldn't he?

This is a new era. We have to stabilise then move rapidly forward. And I say again what I've thought for a long time now: the PL is turd. We can - and we should expect - to be top half every single season. It's an appalling league.

Utter horse manure, its the best League in the world.

 

[Bedfordblue]

That's my point though Dave. He didn't deserve to be sacked in the summer,

 

[Toffeepot]

That wont happen. I'd be surprised if we're not free from another relegation scrap by Christmas if he stays beyond that.

He's been a whiney little get and I doubt TFG will have ignored that.

That's an Officer of the British Empire you are talking about there, I'll have you know!

 

[Goat]

That's my point though Dave. He didn't deserve to be sacked in the summer, but you were an advocate of that anyway. You don't know if he'll deserve to be sacked next summer either, but you're advocating that. It just seems at odds to me with previous sentiments expressed about stability. We're not Abramovich's Chelsea or Real Madrid, and we're a long way shy of attracting an elite manager. Any manager who makes season on season improvements deserves not to be sacked.

I'd rather us not go down the route of sacking managers just because the grass might be greener. Once you appoint a manager, you give him a fair chance, otherwise stability goes out the window and it can fast become a merry-go-round. History shows that chopping and changing for the sake of it rarely leads to success.

Agreed, Moyes came in last season and did a cracking job.

Do you then sack him for his "failings" from 12 years ago?

No, you give him the tools and hope he can do what he did at West Ham.

If he doesnt, you sack him and start again.

 

[John from Bootle]

Agreed, Moyes came in last season and did a cracking job.

Do you then sack him for his "failings" from 12 years ago?

No, you give him the tools and hope he can do what he did at West Ham.

If he doesnt, you sack him and start again.

It's a results business. If you're Real Madrid, you can get away with sacking a manager because they might not be appealing to the fan-base or a bit too defensive. If you're West Ham or Everton, you can quickly find out that the grass isn't always greener.

 

[Moomin]

De Rossi last season at Roma got sacked after 4 games. 3 Draws and a defeat.

If Moyes has a slow start he will face the same fate.

33/1 for Moyes to be the next premier league manager sacked. Good value that.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

That's an Officer of the British Empire you are talking about there, I'll have you know!

‘British Empire ‘
Begs the question which empire is that exactly?