Confirmed Signing Tyler Dibling

[Eggsyblueskin]

I think the delay on signing this kid is because we're hoping to get another (cheaper) deal done elsewhere.. like Fatawu or Kubo.. Dibling will be last resort imo!

I doubt either of those players would be significantly less expensive .

 

[Bluelenny1984]

I’m not giving a final judgement and I have mentioned before on here that final judgement can only be made when it closes .
But you can assess how it is proceeding.
We know we don’t have all the appointees in place yet , so it wouldn’t be particularly surprising if the current window is somewhat ad hoc and poorly prepared.
Certainly , at the moment, all the reported targets and acquisitions appear to be relatively low hanging fruit . There have been no links to hitherto unknown players or hidden gems . The lad from Bayern being a slight exception, perhaps .

Yeah I can agree with all that, and your right the amount of change the club has needed means that it’s understandable that this years window could be seen as adhoc as you say.

I’m as frustrated as anyone but some of the negativity on here, whilst understandable given years gone by is hard to read all the time a bit of context sometimes wouldn’t go a miss.

Not a slant on you here but it’s pretty widespread.

 

[Nymzee]

Disagree in part.

I dont believe they look at numbers, or games.

I believe they look in threads and are a more obnoxious version of Dave.

Well, that too.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Nothing to do with ambition. Look where frivolous spending got us previously. Clearly got a short memory if you cant see that

You don't get a lot for your money these days, especially in the forward positions. And I know someone posted players that were at reasonable prices, but 1. they are gone and 2. bargain players tend to be rare. If all our alternatives are going for high 30s then we are shopping in that ball park.

Else we move down or we look to pay 20m for a 30+ year old who we know we won't get a sell on value, or someone who has yet to break into the first team but has shown good stuff. Both have the same amount of risk.

 

[Blue Smoke]

Kubo definitely wasn't cheaper as sociedad demanded full release clause because of real Madrid 50% deal. (€60 million release clause)

However, i gave this some thought. ..could we not have paid sociedad the €30 mill (about 26 mill) and negotiated with Real Madrid to take over the stake they had in the player?
I.e Madrid get 5 million as a sweetener with still keeping 50% buy on clause?

About 30 million for a top top player.

 

[Tramps_mate]

I doubt either of those players would be significantly less expensive .

Less expensive but also more experienced..

 

[The binman chronicles]

he could be 70m if he makes it
or worse 10m. not much upside from 50m to 70m when southampton are pricing the youngster as if he’s the next ballon dor winner

He has had a season in the prem, so something would have to drastically drop off for a 19 year old with size and pace to go to 10m. In the next 5 years he should be at least 30m, so compared to the plethora of 20/30 million footballers that left our club for nothing, we should still be improving!

Any upside is better than no upside, if he gets there it means he has been good for us, if he turns out to be the next Bale then that figure could be pushing a hundred million or more. No one knows, if you don't roll the dice, you're not in the game.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

You don't get a lot for your money these days, especially in the forward positions. And I know someone posted players that were at reasonable prices, but 1. they are gone and 2. bargain players tend to be rare. If all our alternatives are going for high 30s then we are shopping in that ball park.

Else we move down or we look to pay 20m for a 30+ year old who we know we won't get a sell on value, or someone who has yet to break into the first team but has shown good stuff. Both have the same amount of risk.

Added to that , you need months of preparation to research and identify the positions you want to improve and the available players you want to approach.
We have also appointed a new manager who would possibly have required different targets to those previously assessed.
We appear to be concentrating on proven players to boost the squad immediately, and that tactic is the more expensive option .

 

[Toffeeslam]

If this is the case I’d have to question the ambition of the TFG unfortunately. £20/25m signings only get you so far in the PL these days.

Clearly you’ve forgotten about PSR concerns which will always complicate things. It’s not ambition to spend £45-55m on players and end up with another PSR charge that’s just plain idiotic

 

[WA Toffee]

I appreciate what you are saying, but there is a difference between the two. Braithwaite was outstanding at PSV and had just enjoyed an excellent first season in the PL. he’s English and a left footed centre back that comes at a premium.
Whereas Dibling is just 19 and has scored 2 goals for a relegated team. He is not worth the 50m the Saints are demanding. They were hoping other clubs would enter the fray, but not at that price they won’t. Massive decision for them. They keep a disgruntled player whose value is only going to decrease from now on or get back negotiating with us at a more realistic price.

Yeah, and we asked for a lot more than 50 million to reflect the difference in experience between them

The principle is exactly the same - selling club sets a price, either pay it or look elsewhere.

 

[Zatara]

Kubo definitely wasn't cheaper as sociedad demanded full release clause because of real Madrid 50% deal. (€60 million release clause)

However, i gave this some thought. ..could we not have paid sociedad the €30 mill (about 26 mill) and negotiated with Real Madrid to take over the stake they had in the player?
I.e Madrid get 5 million as a sweetener with still keeping 50% buy on clause?

About 30 million for a top top player.

Madrid get £5mil and then the £50% clause is still on the player?

Effectively meaning if hes a success then half of Evertons profit is given to Madrid?

This is precisely the reason why Kubo hasnt already been sold by Sociedad. We dont want to have the same issue.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Clearly you’ve forgotten about PSR concerns which will always complicate things. It’s not ambition to spend £45-55m on players and end up with another PSR charge that’s just plain idiotic

If we were that far out in our valuation or running close to PSR issues, we'd have publicly walked away by now. The club obviously have the money as we are still interested in other players on top of this, if it means we need a cheaper back up right wing or CM then fair enough, RW is what we desperately need at the moment.

Depending how we schedule the payments, the difference between a 30m and 50m player is £4m pa for PSR.

 

[CielosGrises]

Havent got time to wait for potential so we are in an expensive market at the moment.

Guess we will see when the window slams shut. They may have to move to back up options in the final weeks.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Less expensive but also more experienced..

Kubo is more experienced, but would actually cost more.
Hutchinson cost £38m , Fatawu is a superior player , so I doubt Leicester are going to let him go for less than £40m , probably more .
He also is also a young player so not overly more experienced than Dibling.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Kubo is more experienced, but would actually cost more.
Hutchinson cost £38m , Fatawu is a superior player , so I doubt Leicester are going to let him go for less than £40m , probably more .
He also is also a young player so not overly more experienced than Dibling.

And the added risk of ACL that has had surgery and another who would be out with his country for the African nations.