Transfer Rumour Douglas Luiz

Zatara said:
Im not understanding your first paragraph?

Below/Above average compared with what?
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Compared with other CMs in the prem that year

Edit: again, I just wanna be clear because discussions on the internet push people into taking two opposite viewpoints - I don't think he's a bad player at ALL. I just don't think he moves the dial aalll that much for the price and age.
 

hetion said:
Compared with other CMs in the prem that year

Edit: again, I just wanna be clear because discussions on the internet push people into taking two opposite viewpoints - I don't think he's a bad player at ALL. I just don't think he moves the dial aalll that much for the price and age.
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So who do you think would move the dial as you put in terms of a player realistically being attainable by Everton?
 
blulouie said:
The report is from Romano who's hit rate is pretty gash these days.
He's an agents puppet , so I would take anything from him with a large pinch of salt.
Regarding Luiz forcing a move , we,ve not heard a peep from him or his camp at all.
Yet every outlet for for weeks have been pushing the narrative Juve are pushing him out this summer and has no future with them.

It's made to look bad on the player in plenty of these situations and Juve are hardly a virtuous institution.

Think it will draw to a conclusion very quickly now.
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I hope it does conclude soon. Even if he did sign for us they've sucked out all the excitement. Hope he goes somewhere, anywhere so it can be put to bed and not have it at "maybe" stage for another 5 weeks.
 
Swagger said:
So who do you think would move the dial as you put in terms of a player realistically being attainable by Everton?
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I guess it's more that I think weighting our resources into moving the dial for the next season or two shouldn't be our main goal, or at least not at the cost of impacting our ability to rebuild long-term. In absolutely every sense of the word we are a club in transition and we should be building for the future, not just maximising our quality for the immediate coming season - that's what you do if you think you have a reasonable shot at trophies or CL next season. That's the approach I'd want us to be taking in 2-3 years time, because we'd spent these coming windows building for the future.

That was a really waffly response sorry - one example would be I think Hayden Hackney. The forward passing and creativity he does from CM in the Championship is absolutely ridiculous. He would cost half a Luiz, and in 3 years time in the worst case scenario you're still able to sell him on a break-even as an average PL CM. Who do I think would be the better all-round CM next year? Luiz, I'm sure. Who do I think we would look back on as the better buy in 3 years? Hackney. I know that's a long time for a vaulting but I want to see Everton back at the top table, and throwing £40m at ~good 27 years olds at the START of a massive rebuild is not how you go about that.
 

hetion said:
Compared with other CMs in the prem that year

Edit: again, I just wanna be clear because discussions on the internet push people into taking two opposite viewpoints - I don't think he's a bad player at ALL. I just don't think he moves the dial aalll that much for the price and age.
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He would be our best central midfielder since Arteta and an absolutely massive improvement on what we currently have. We have absolutely no chance of signing an established player who is better than him because of price/attraction and signing a prospect with equivalent potential would probably cost not much less than what we are paying with no guarantee of success.
 
hetion said:
I guess it's more that I think weighting our resources into moving the dial for the next season or two shouldn't be our main goal, or at least not at the cost of impacting our ability to rebuild long-term. In absolutely every sense of the word we are a club in transition and we should be building for the future, not just maximising our quality for the immediate coming season - that's what you do if you think you have a reasonable shot at trophies or CL next season. That's the approach I'd want us to be taking in 2-3 years time, because we'd spent these coming windows building for the future.

That was a really waffly response sorry - one example would be I think Hayden Hackney. The forward passing and creativity he does from CM in the Championship is absolutely ridiculous. He would cost half a Luiz, and in 3 years time in the worst case scenario you're still able to sell him on a break-even as an average PL CM. Who do I think would be the better all-round CM next year? Luiz, I'm sure. Who do I think we would look back on as the better buy in 3 years? Hackney. I know that's a long time for a vaulting but I want to see Everton back at the top table, and throwing £40m at ~good 27 years olds at the START of a massive rebuild is not how you go about that.
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He's 27. Gareth Barry signed for us when he was 32/33. Luiz could easily play for us for another 7/8 years and if he moves us up the table we can attract better players/buy younger players to replace him.
 
hetion said:
I guess it's more that I think weighting our resources into moving the dial for the next season or two shouldn't be our main goal, or at least not at the cost of impacting our ability to rebuild long-term. In absolutely every sense of the word we are a club in transition and we should be building for the future, not just maximising our quality for the immediate coming season - that's what you do if you think you have a reasonable shot at trophies or CL next season. That's the approach I'd want us to be taking in 2-3 years time, because we'd spent these coming windows building for the future.

That was a really waffly response sorry - one example would be I think Hayden Hackney. The forward passing and creativity he does from CM in the Championship is absolutely ridiculous. He would cost half a Luiz, and in 3 years time in the worst case scenario you're still able to sell him on a break-even as an average PL CM. Who do I think would be the better all-round CM next year? Luiz, I'm sure. Who do I think we would look back on as the better buy in 3 years? Hackney. I know that's a long time for a vaulting but I want to see Everton back at the top table, and throwing £40m at ~good 27 years olds at the START of a massive rebuild is not how you go about that.
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Why do you think we are guaranteed to get our money back on Hackney? If he bombs in the EPL his value will decline dramatically.
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
He would be our best central midfielder since Arteta and an absolutely massive improvement on what we currently have. We have absolutely no chance of signing an established player who is better than him because of price/attraction and signing a prospect with equivalent potential would probably cost not much less than what we are paying with no guarantee of success.
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Yeah absolutely he's a huuuge upgrade for us immediately. This is all just conjecture from me projecting out yeeaars in the future - which is hard! That's why even pros at football clubs get it wrong so often. It's just what I reckon. It's not where I'd spend that much money right now but there's a reason I'm sat at home typing on an internet forum and not working for a PL club haha.
 
hetion said:
I guess it's more that I think weighting our resources into moving the dial for the next season or two shouldn't be our main goal, or at least not at the cost of impacting our ability to rebuild long-term. In absolutely every sense of the word we are a club in transition and we should be building for the future, not just maximising our quality for the immediate coming season - that's what you do if you think you have a reasonable shot at trophies or CL next season. That's the approach I'd want us to be taking in 2-3 years time, because we'd spent these coming windows building for the future.

That was a really waffly response sorry - one example would be I think Hayden Hackney. The forward passing and creativity he does from CM in the Championship is absolutely ridiculous. He would cost half a Luiz, and in 3 years time in the worst case scenario you're still able to sell him on a break-even as an average PL CM. Who do I think would be the better all-round CM next year? Luiz, I'm sure. Who do I think we would look back on as the better buy in 3 years? Hackney. I know that's a long time for a vaulting but I want to see Everton back at the top table, and throwing £40m at ~good 27 years olds at the START of a massive rebuild is not how you go about that.
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I typically think like this, but he's at the height of his powers. He made a bad move to Juve or he wouldn't be available to us, it's a opportunity for us to exponentially improve the midfield for the duration of his contract (4-5 years).

We should be looking for players who are on the up and provide re-sell value, we'll need that to climb the ladder. But we also have an opportunity this summer to make the club much more attractive to prospective recruits, and part of that will be recruiting players in their prime to make a push up the table to the European spots.
 

Any one remember the last player we chased that became known in the media that said he wanted just to join Everton wasn't interested in any one else Im sure there must have been one or 2
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
He would be our best central midfielder since Arteta and an absolutely massive improvement on what we currently have. We have absolutely no chance of signing an established player who is better than him because of price/attraction and signing a prospect with equivalent potential would probably cost not much less than what we are paying with no guarantee of success.
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Agree. Just thinking would he be motivated at Everton? Without champions lge etc …? If we got him id be happy.
 
hetion said:
Yeah absolutely he's a huuuge upgrade for us immediately. This is all just conjecture from me projecting out yeeaars in the future - which is hard! That's why even pros at football clubs get it wrong so often. It's just what I reckon. It's not where I'd spend that much money right now but there's a reason I'm sat at home typing on an internet forum and not working for a PL club haha.
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But the gradual improvement needs to be faster than 3 years as its harder to attract better players without European football and the ones we have now will want to move if they dont get it sooner than that i understand your point but its all a fast fix now not 3-5 years down the line the owners wont be looking at that
 

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