bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Not seen anything which suggests he's developed at all in his time here, same flaws he has when he arrived 3 years ago and is injury prone, soon as we can get players in so he's surplus, get rid
RyanGordon
Player Valuation: £1.5m
When assessing a player, aside from what my eyes tell me, I automatically ask myself these questions: 1) Have they had a proper run in the team? 2) Does the managers style suit him? 3) Is he in his favoured position?
I constantly defended Alex Iwobi against the masses because all I saw was someone with genuine ability who the club were failing to utilise.
As for Patterson - it is becoming a bit sad the way our fans are behaving. Scrutinising his every action in pre season games. Suppose they must be bored of destroying Michael Keane so it’s onto the next one…
The only time he has had a decent run in the team, and I know we’re going way back here, for reasons not all on the player, was 2022 under Lampard. Seem to remember him getting praise and some love from the fans - plus his own song.
As a young player coming here and playing under several different managers, being in/out the team and being plagued by injuries. Is it hardly a surprise we haven’t seen the best of the lad?
He has never had a consistent run at where he has been able to build on field relationships. Apart from the above period where people were signing his praises. The limited game time he’s had since has been sporadic, under a dinasour and all with different players next to him.
Truth is he might not be the answer to our right back problem, and it’s fair to say it does feel like now or never for him at Everton. I just hope Moyes is giving him a chance to impress.
But for the love of god, seeing people scrutinise his every move in pre season is taking the biscuit. Especially when he has been no worse than the others, if we are really going to judge them at this stage. Also, for the Blackburn goal, most full backs would tuck in and do exactly what he did there!
I constantly defended Alex Iwobi against the masses because all I saw was someone with genuine ability who the club were failing to utilise.
As for Patterson - it is becoming a bit sad the way our fans are behaving. Scrutinising his every action in pre season games. Suppose they must be bored of destroying Michael Keane so it’s onto the next one…
The only time he has had a decent run in the team, and I know we’re going way back here, for reasons not all on the player, was 2022 under Lampard. Seem to remember him getting praise and some love from the fans - plus his own song.
As a young player coming here and playing under several different managers, being in/out the team and being plagued by injuries. Is it hardly a surprise we haven’t seen the best of the lad?
He has never had a consistent run at where he has been able to build on field relationships. Apart from the above period where people were signing his praises. The limited game time he’s had since has been sporadic, under a dinasour and all with different players next to him.
Truth is he might not be the answer to our right back problem, and it’s fair to say it does feel like now or never for him at Everton. I just hope Moyes is giving him a chance to impress.
But for the love of god, seeing people scrutinise his every move in pre season is taking the biscuit. Especially when he has been no worse than the others, if we are really going to judge them at this stage. Also, for the Blackburn goal, most full backs would tuck in and do exactly what he did there!
Bob Elstone
Player Valuation: £35m
Three years n yet to do anything. Send to rangers, big nose will pay good money.
Rooney_Tunes
Player Valuation: £50m
Let's give him a proper pre-season and tell him he is our starting RB and see how he does.
Will save us having to buy another RB as well.
Will also be really good to see @davek chucking his proverbial toys out of the cot.
Rooney_Tunes
Player Valuation: £50m
BOOOOOOOO!
Thelwell never signed him.
RyanGordon
Player Valuation: £1.5m
I hope so. If he has a full pre season and gets the first 9/10 games as our starting right back then we can judge.
I still believe in him. The only time he would have felt like our starting right back was under Lampard during that 6-7 game run where he was impressive. Seem to remember doing very well in the Goodison derby too. Plus we had the best defence in the league in that run. Not bad for someone who can’t defend is it?
When assessing a player, aside from what my eyes tell me, I automatically ask myself one question: Is it possible that all the managers and coaches he's had have been wrong, and Ryan off the internet is right? It's never let me down yet.
RyanGordon
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Yes, good one mate.
Some managers don’t fancy players. Some managers get it wrong.
And if you had working eyes or the ability to read you would have seen that I said myself that I don’t know if he is the answer yet. All I’m saying is I think he deserves a proper pre season and another go. And having a bit of support might just help. You know, since we’re supporters.
Lampard rated and played him, and he played well;
Dyche hated him and we all know about Slapgate, still played him a few times and he overperformed his counterparts in fewer games;
Moyes literally always plays a safety first player out wide - or do you genuinely believe Lescott was a better LB than Baines for example, as he kept him out for a full season or so? He'll likely play him a bit more this year and he'll be okay.
At this point it's best for Patterson to move on anyway, all this "he's the worst player we've EVER EVER EVER EVER seen" crap is getting quite tedious and boring, now that Mykolenko is out of that scope for similar lack of reasons. Players older/more experienced than him crap their pants in basic situations and it's "oh well, what can you do", but if Patterson misses a pass - take him out back and shoot him, naturally.
Nah I know what you're saying, I just think at some point you have to look at what the likelihood of certain situations is. Managers get things wrong, of course they do, but the reality of the situation is that with Patterson we'd be talking about loads of managers getting it wrong. It's still possible, but it's not likely. I've said before, I don't think he's absolutely hopeless and a disgrace to the shirt, I just haven't seen anything that makes me think he's good enough to be a first choice right back in the PL. It seems the managers he's had here agree, and - as we'd undoubtedly accept any half decent bid for him and you'd expect he'd jump at the chance to go - you'd have to assume the managers of all the other PL clubs agree too.
As an aside in relation to your last point, if you can name me a player who has done as little for the club in 3 1/2 years and yet has as many people jumping to his defence every time someone says something mean about him, then I'll be absolutely amazed.
He's actually under the spotlight on this forum more due to the fact that if anyone says anything remotely critical about him, countless oddball posters jump on them to defend him. This thread is the circus it is because there's a strange cult of posters who can't bear to see him be spoken about in anything but glowing terms.
You missed out the really big elephant in the room.
There is a nucleus of the posters who regularly attack and it has nothing to do with football, the most prevalent of that little clique, has been banned form the thread twice and is now banned from posting in the thread. So strike three for him if you will.
Make of that what you will.
adi dassler
Player Valuation: £8m
To be fair, I've never heard the level of criticism for him at the match that I hear from the same few posters on here.
Makes you think.
….don’t get that underlying bigotry if that’s what you’re hinting at.
Until very recently, I had quite strong family connections to Rangers first team, I only judge the player by what I see and he’s been so disappointing. I was delighted when he signed, but I was critical from early games and been consistently similar since.
There was only a few of us in that camp and we were widely accused of ‘having an agenda’ but the more the lad played the more criticism gathered.
There’s no agenda, no unhealthy bigotry, it’s mostly people posting how they rate a footballer on a forum. I’m sure all Evertonians hope the penny drops and he significantly improves, but there’s a reason why various managers have looked elsewhere when selecting a RB during his time here.
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