Boxing

[Rita_Poon]

Dubois lost tonight in the second round, he stopped competing with Usyk for control of the engagement (feet position) once Dubois was penned into zones Usyk knew where he was, he could get away from his shots and throw knowing where he was.

The only way to beat Usyk is to match him, but that's impossible, because anyone getting light and small enough to be eye to eye with him won't have the punch power and accuracy he has so it's a moot point. It's a shame there is such paucity of quality in the top division, fighting Foreman, Frazier, Liston and Ali in the same year might expose some weakness somewhere.

Horses for courses. Irony huh.

 

[widnesblue]

Dubois lost tonight in the second round, he stopped competing with Usyk for control of the engagement (feet position) once Dubois was penned into zones Usyk knew where he was, he could get away from his shots and throw knowing where he was.

The only way to beat Usyk is to match him, but that's impossible, because anyone getting light and small enough to be eye to eye with him won't have the punch power and accuracy he has so it's a moot point. It's a shame there is such paucity of quality in the top division, fighting Foreman, Frazier, Liston and Ali in the same year might expose some weakness somewhere.

Horses for courses. Irony huh.

Problem with Dubois is, once it gets going tough. He doesn’t wanna know. You can train and improve your skills and mindset all you want, but you can’t train yourself to have heart.

 

[Kurt.]

I’m no boxing expert at all, but thought Dubois never used his left hand to jab at all, he was looking to land the big right every time he was on the front foot. Not sure it would have changed the outcome but by jabbing he would have kept Usyk thinking and not allowed him to settle. Ah well, it’s all over now.

 

[Root66]

I believe he’s the greatest heavyweight of all time.


The current generation rarely gets the same aura or admiration—people tend to romanticise the past through rose-tinted glasses. I think it’ll be some time before he truly receives the recognition he deserves.

Sadly for him, the era is garbage. It's amazing if people turn up in shape.

He's amazing, but he'd have struggled in the 90's IMO. Lennox would have beaten him and plenty of others would have given him serious issues.

I don't even think Dubois would have been British champ in the 90's. Gary Mason was far better

 

[tsubaki]

Dubois lost tonight in the second round, he stopped competing with Usyk for control of the engagement (feet position) once Dubois was penned into zones Usyk knew where he was, he could get away from his shots and throw knowing where he was.

The only way to beat Usyk is to match him, but that's impossible, because anyone getting light and small enough to be eye to eye with him won't have the punch power and accuracy he has so it's a moot point. It's a shame there is such paucity of quality in the top division, fighting Foreman, Frazier, Liston and Ali in the same year might expose some weakness somewhere.

Horses for courses. Irony huh.

TBF when you are talking about that lot “might” find a weakness it makes it clear how good he is.

 

[davids]

I don't pretend to be an expert but I have been involved in boxing at one level or another for over 50 years. Usyk trained for the Fury fight in my local gym so I was lucky enough to see him spar tens of rounds. It's rare to see a boxer who's balance is always near perfect when throwing punches. He is virtually faultless.

 

[Roger Milla]

.From the looks of it his dad has dominated his life.
He was home schooled ect.
His dad picks who is around him his boxing team.
No wonder he is socially a bit backwards.
I like the fella but feel a bit sorry for him.

I think he's on the spectrum tbh. But his dad is an odd character. His sister and Women's world champ Caroline couldn't hack him anymore and exiled herself from the family, it's why Daniel left the McGuigan gym.

 

[Roger Milla]

Nothing left for Usyk to do, a fight against Parker does nothing for his legacy.

Fury and Joshua should go as well, I know all 3 won't though because there's too much money in the heavyweights atm with the Saudi involvement, and they won't leave money on the table. But I'd rather see the belts get fragmented and see the new crop battle it out for them.

 

[Harryflashman]

I can’t process the possibility of a Joshua fighting Jake Paul , I find it bizarre but also deeply deeply irritating

 

[Blue 1]

I don't pretend to be an expert but I have been involved in boxing at one level or another for over 50 years. Usyk trained for the Fury fight in my local gym so I was lucky enough to see him spar tens of rounds. It's rare to see a boxer who's balance is always near perfect when throwing punches. He is virtually faultless.

Wow, what a privilege.

 

[Tigger]

I don't pretend to be an expert but I have been involved in boxing at one level or another for over 50 years. Usyk trained for the Fury fight in my local gym so I was lucky enough to see him spar tens of rounds. It's rare to see a boxer who's balance is always near perfect when throwing punches. He is virtually faultless.

Sounds like expert levels for GoT mate. Must have been a treat witnessing a true great up close.

 

[Harryflashman]

I don't pretend to be an expert but I have been involved in boxing at one level or another for over 50 years. Usyk trained for the Fury fight in my local gym so I was lucky enough to see him spar tens of rounds. It's rare to see a boxer who's balance is always near perfect when throwing punches. He is virtually faultless.

Unbelievable privilege that

Quality

 

[Gilbert..]

Sadly for him, the era is garbage. It's amazing if people turn up in shape.

He's amazing, but he'd have struggled in the 90's IMO. Lennox would have beaten him and plenty of others would have given him serious issues.

I don't even think Dubois would have been British champ in the 90's. Gary Mason was far better

Yeah im not sure its about looking at other eras through rose tinted glasses. I just think think there were better proper heavyweights. I love usyk but he's done well against pretty average british boxers. Joshua is awful. Possibly the most overhyped boxer of our generation. Fury/usyk could have gone either way on one of them. The way usyk handled a much bigger heavier man was tremendous though. Dubois wasnt in his class in either fight. Chisora gave him a fight for about 5 rounds until chisora did what chisora does. Run out of steam. And as i mentioned yesterday. I still laugh at usyk fighting bellew.
I do think some of the heavyweights around the time i was growing up were proper heavyweights. And good. The likes of larry holmes lennox lewis. George foreman. Mike tyson. Even the likes of ken norton and tim witherspoon. They'd have wiped the floor with the likes of deontay wilder.
This is even before you talk about the likes of Ali. Joe frazier rocky marciano joe louis....
Usyk is brilliant. But i doubt he'd have been undefeated if he'd stepped into the heavyweight scence in era's gone by.

 

[JLW]

Dubois lost tonight in the second round, he stopped competing with Usyk for control of the engagement (feet position) once Dubois was penned into zones Usyk knew where he was, he could get away from his shots and throw knowing where he was.

The only way to beat Usyk is to match him, but that's impossible, because anyone getting light and small enough to be eye to eye with him won't have the punch power and accuracy he has so it's a moot point. It's a shame there is such paucity of quality in the top division, fighting Foreman, Frazier, Liston and Ali in the same year might expose some weakness somewhere.

Horses for courses. Irony huh.

Dubois lost the minute he signed the contract, this should never have been billed as PPV big fight.

Dubois is one of them opponents you fight just before a proper big fight, just so you blow off the cobwebs.

 

[Librarian]

Sadly for him, the era is garbage. It's amazing if people turn up in shape.

He's amazing, but he'd have struggled in the 90's IMO. Lennox would have beaten him and plenty of others would have given him serious issues.

I don't even think Dubois would have been British champ in the 90's. Gary Mason was far better

Lennox Lewis lost to two fighters that someone like Usyk would likely have handled with ease. Even Frank Bruno had Lennox on the back foot for much of their bout.

There’s a recurring bias where people assume the current era isn’t as strong as the past. But in virtually every sport where performance is measured by stopwatches or measuring tapes, athletes improve over time—and boxing is no exception.

Take Henry Cooper, for example. In today’s era, he probably wouldn’t be a contender. Yet he managed to knock down a young Muhammad Ali and land on him repeatedly. Still, many speak of Ali as if he were completely untouchable in his prime. The reality is more nuanced.