New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

I keep pointing out that TFG do not have much history of ‘flipping’ businesses they acquire. They moved out beyond car dealerships into resorts/leisure and into movies/digital entertainment and have not only retained their original investments but added to them and built around them. They have followed this model into football and are now looking to translate the credibility of owning a Serie A and a PL club to allow them to move into US Sports ownership.

US privately owned corporations behave more like their European counterparts (many of Europe’s biggest businesses are privately owned conglomerates) than they do US publicly listed businesses or private equity/VC businesses. They are builders not strippers. TFG should offer us short, medium and longer term stability of ownership unless someone rocks up offering stupid money a few years hence.
 

Drico said:
That's where we part ways, Dave.

You claim to be a socialist, but here you are openly admitting you would sell your soul to the devil to keep give local people who cannot afford match tickets precedence over Evertonians from abroad who can.

Now, I might have some sympathy for this argument if the Americans were going to price out ALL locals - but they are not. Local fans are the core and beating heart of the club. They must take precedence. But there is a balance to have.

I think the less queasy approach here is to argue for the 1991 status quo. But the game has changed irreversibly since then. Now the choice is between dodgy businessmen and human rights abusers. Hold your nose - and what's left of your morality.
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Oh football's outwith all that.

I can still hold a point about subsidising ticket prices by owners of that stripe and be opposed to their methods of governing a country.

I dont live in a vacuum outside of real life!
 
toffee66 said:
I keep pointing out that TFG do not have much history of ‘flipping’ businesses they acquire. They moved out beyond car dealerships into resorts/leisure and into movies/digital entertainment and have not only retained their original investments but added to them and built around them. They have followed this model into football and are now looking to translate the credibility of owning a Serie A and a PL club to allow them to move into US Sports ownership.

US privately owned corporations behave more like their European counterparts (many of Europe’s biggest businesses are privately owned conglomerates) than they do US publicly listed businesses or private equity/VC businesses. They are builders not strippers. TFG should offer us short, medium and longer term stability of ownership unless someone rocks up offering stupid money a few years hence.
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Well, if you are as competent as their business history suggests they are, then you build up your assets whether you sell them eventually or not. Either way, we're going to be built up and become far more attractive.

But they do need to start getting some quality footballers in the door now or much of this will be moot...
 
brieverton said:
Good points there. There is some medium to be found between steady commercial growth and preservation of the community ethos of the club. If they seek to do so.

We are so far behind clubs we once considered as peers, and others, now though, that the scope for growth is so great. The extent to which they can do it organically, or want to do that, is the question.

When the next cycle comes around, and TFG flip the club, I don't mind if they make a nice return on it. We should be a billion-pound plus business, not hawked around as a distressed asset. If that translates to a higher value, more than likely our football fortunes will have improved in tandem. And those that follow will have bigger pockets.
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There's a paradox at play: if you're a fan who hasn't been following a successful football club for years then success isn't demanded. And success is really the only 'justified' driver for higher ticket prices. Our fans know that success isn't going to be in their interests if measured by having the chance to experience the stadium more than maybe a couple times per season and keep their sense of belonging.

That'll certainly apply for the next couple of seasons at least as the novelty of the stadium is maintained. And that expectation should be recognised by the club owners.

It wont though. Early indications are that TFG are going to super exploit the stadium right from the off regardless of our circumstances. What's required is a sensitive determination re ticketing (price and competition for) of what's possible for a club that wont be getting back to success anytime soon.
 

davek said:
Lambs to the slaughter this is.

I can guarantee there'll be a showdown between fans and club over the latter's ambitions to socially engineer who we are.
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I hope it doesn't go that way, but I also don't want to see us left behind, This is easy for me to say as I have no geographical connection to the club and I'll be one of the tourists going around town with bags of overpriced merchandise from the club shop. I left near 450 pounds in the club shop last week between Jerseys, Duvet covers, curtains, an alarm clock and getting names and numbers printed on the back of my lads jerseys. We are well on the way to fleecing the fans.
 

It really is majestic.

Carpet bagger or no carpet bagger, it took an outsider like him to realise a dream.

I know the fans will pay for every penny of it one way or another, but Moshiri's determination was crucial in making this happen.

In the same way as James Clement Baxter's financial guarantee was enough to get Goodison built, so was Moshiri's for this one...although, of course, the comparisons stop there!
 
allen said:
They haven’t started installing it - because they are still selling slots on it!

It’ll take next to no time to generate the final image once they’ve finished selling it - and then they could have it printed and installed in a day or two.

They’ll leave it as long as they can to sell as many spots as they can.
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They sent an email saying that phase one is nearly full about a month ago and that will be installed asap before the new season. Phase 2 we will be installed during the season.

There's only a certain number they can sell.
 

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