New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium



RinkyDinker said:
Bit harsh. Still feel the drone crew have bits to offer. Seeing the pitch in all its glory is a sight to behold, seeing the updates onEverton way, seeing the West Side glistening as the sun shines on it, seeing what they do with the roof once the scaffolding is down, hopefully we get to see the west side with the crests lit up over the next week or so, as that will really bring it to life. More than happy for the lads to keep this as their primary target, as it still remains as spectacular as ever, each time a new video drops.
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Indeed. There was a period of time there over the last nine months where not much was happening after the first pitch went in, but this week alone we have new crests, the finish of Everton Way (people have been saying its finished for weeks, but it is only now that it is actually clear of grouting, detritus, etc., except the remaining barriers), the removal of scaffolding in one corner, the new pitch, and the start of installations of sponsor branding on the roof and glass facade. This week has actually seen more action than most in recent times. I think the club branding (digital ad boards, banners) and roof painting should make for a few more interesting videos yet...
 
Tipp blue said:
All sports is going this way Dave.. It's a business first..
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I dont dispute that. But it can and will destroy the host. It's in the process of doing that right now.

The vast majority of Liverpool fans are now estranged from their own club - they're only to be seen in events outside the stadium. Effectively shut out.

You can say that Everton are on the way to that now. In the past there was room for a bit of ingenuity to get people desperate to see a game or so to keep within the fold of being match going fans. That's about to change. The responsibility of those in control of our club governance is that they find ways to reverse the process - as much for their long term aim of exploiting the facility as much as fans threatened with exclusion.
 
Bedfordblue said:
My fear is in generations to come, local fans are a total irrelevance and the clubs lean towards / become geo-mobile ‘franchises’ as per the NFL.
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We need to learn lessons off others.

There's a real opportunity here also to get daylight between Everton and Liverpool on this and grow at their expense. My concern is that there'll be a headlong rush into commercially sweating that dock stadium in order to pay down debt.

We really needed (and still do) owners who see money as no object in order to keep the lid on fan super-exploitation.

I've pointed out on this thread before that data underlines that we have our support in some of the most economically inactive districts in the city and surrounding boroughs - and they're some of the worst districts in the country in terms of deprivation. There's an inelasticity to what they can stretch to finance wise. If TFG dont acknowledge that there's going to be a rupture with our support.
 
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allen said:
The only one I’m aware of.

I think he was unfairly shafted last time. You see loads of footage on YouTube where the drone is clearly well out of visual range for the operator. Mostly, that’s no big deal, even if it’s not allowed.

Hopefully this time was just him complying with a polite request from the club to take it down.

I find the guy pretty endearing, and like the other droners he’s done a fantastic job of keeping us posted on the build. Wouldn’t wish him any ill will at all.
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He's harmless. I used to watch him regularly, but found his style was a little too frenetic. I like a more sedate, considered approach. His videos based on reader comments are interesting in terms of speculation. But sometimes you really just want a calmer, slower "mooch" around the structure with breathy vocals and an insight into how a visit to the dentist might make the voice-over enunciation slightly less clear...

"Aftanoon Bloos!"
 

davek said:
We need to learn lessons off others.

There's a real opportunity here also to get daylight between Everton and Liverpool on this and grow at their expense. My concern is that there'll be a headlong rush into commercially sweating that dock stadium in order to pay down debt.

We really needed (and still do) owners who see money as no object in order to keep the lid on fan super-exploitation.

I've pointed out on this thread before that data underlines that we have our support in some of the most economically inactive districts in the city and surrounding boroughs - and they're some of the worst districts in the country in terms of deprivation. There's an inelasticity to what they can stretch to finance wise. If TFG dont acknowledge that there's going to be a rupture with our support.
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Liverpool's support has a similar socioeconomic demographic. They simply grew fans elsewhere. That's what we will do also if we are successful. The rupture is sadly inevitable as American businessmen are not known for social democracy, let alone socialism.
 
mahermi1 said:
That is disgusting from Liverpool FC, can feel for the supporter and as you rightly say could well happen here. Needs looking into by at least the sport regulator.
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I don't feel for them or there supporters...EVER.

The fans and club sold their soul a long time ago.

I worked with Scouse colleagues who opening openly told me they wanted Liverpool in the Super League and when told them it would ruin the English game and it pure madness they told me I was "jealous".

I agree there certainly needs to be some form of regulation otherwise it will become a runaway train.
 
davek said:
We need to learn lessons off others.

There's a real opportunity here also to get daylight between Everton and Liverpool on this and grow at their expense. My concern is that there'll be a headlong rush into commercially sweating that dock stadium in order to pay down debt.

We really needed (and still do) owners who see money as no object in order to keep the lid on fan super-exploitation.

I've pointed out on this thread before that data underlines that we have our support in some of the most economically inactive districts in the city and surrounding boroughs - and they're some of the worst districts in the country in terms of deprivation. There's an inelasticity to what they can stretch to finance wise. If TFG dont acknowledge that there's going to be a rupture with our support.
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Good points there. There is some medium to be found between steady commercial growth and preservation of the community ethos of the club. If they seek to do so.

We are so far behind clubs we once considered as peers, and others, now though, that the scope for growth is so great. The extent to which they can do it organically, or want to do that, is the question.

When the next cycle comes around, and TFG flip the club, I don't mind if they make a nice return on it. We should be a billion-pound plus business, not hawked around as a distressed asset. If that translates to a higher value, more than likely our football fortunes will have improved in tandem. And those that follow will have bigger pockets.
 
Exeter_Gently said:
I don't feel for them or there supporters...EVER.

The fans and club sold their soul a long time ago.

I worked with Scouse colleagues who opening openly told me they wanted Liverpool in the Super League and when told them it would ruin the English game and it pure madness they told me I was "jealous".

I agree there certainly needs to be some form of regulation otherwise it will become a runaway train.
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The horse has long since bolted, though. I don't feel sympathy for them either - but, actually, your colleagues are simply being ruthlessly clear-sighted. The Premier League is no longer the "English League Division One". It is the world's first globalised football league. It is an international league populated by African, South American, and European players with a handful more from Asia and North America. Good English players make up the bulk of the rest. In the past, it was primarily based on English players of, on average, iffy standard, excellent Scottish, Irish, and Welsh internationals, Ossie Ardiles, Ricky Villa, Frans Thijssen, and Arnold Muhren.

As with the European Union, if you have freedom of movement of capital, good, services, and people, if you sell the game to American and Arab owners and bring in many of the world's best players from all corners of the globe, it is inevitable that the audience for this spectacle will similarly be global.

Fighting the good fight for local inclusion was the fight that should have happened before 1992. But that frog was slowly boiled by Sky...
 
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