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Womens Euro 2025


My thoughts on that were abundently clear. Another nail in the coffin.

But I just cant shake the comparison, which is totally a me thing.

Standard went down in ET... But its rare that any game maintains quality in ET. The world cup final in 2022 was probably last one I recall.

No doubt people will reflect on yhe dire penalties, but was an enjoyable second half.
I think your reservations are valid. One can love women's football and still prefer the men's game.

Top-level women's international football is interesting. But there is no depth beyond a handful of countries - which is what you would expect in a developing sport. Some of the women have incredible skill - as good as any male player. It's not about a lack of skill in the top players or teams. It's the lack of physicality and depth that hurts it in comparison to the men. But, again, that's the same in most women's sports.

On its own terms, women's sport can be brilliant. Martina Navratilova v Chris Evert was every bit as compelling a rivalry as any in any sport. Two genuises with contrasting styles bringing the very best out of each other on every surface. Would they beat the men? Not really, no. It wouldn't be a fair match because of male strength. Were they as skilled as the men - oh, yes. On pure skill and mental strength alone, game on!

We wouldn't expect a middleweight to defeat a heavyweight boxer. We have weight classes to make sport safe and level the playing field for competitors. We divide players into men's and women's categories for the same reasons.

Women's soccer has developed incredibly well in recent decades. It's a success story. The men's game will always offer more in terms of physicality and depth. But one can enjoy a lightweight boxing bout as much as a heavyweight clash - and not see the smaller boxers as inferior. I mean, do we think Marvelous Marvin Hagler was an "inferior" boxer to, say, Lennox Lewis? I don't think so. We think Lennox would likely win a brawl to the death between the two purely because of his size, but technically? That's a different call.

Last night's penalty shoot-out was a farce. One can love women's soccer and still laugh at the ludicrousness of what we witnessed. It's not that women are "inferior" - it's that they have probably had fewer opportunities so far to cope with the pressure they experienced last night. The Swedish team experienced a mental collapse last night. They won that game at least four times - and blew it every time. England, who showed great courage at 0-2 to come back and give themselves a chance, won the game on the strength of their gutsy comeback and then the mental capitulation of the Swedes.

If women's football wants more respect from people, we do at least have to admit when the standard falls off a cliff - as it did in that shoot-out last night. It was the equivalent of Navratilova and Evert going hammer and tongs, one of them blowing three match points from a set up and both them proceeding to a tiebreaker and serving underarm to each other whilst netting every return. It was a joke. But that's developing sport for you. And say what you like, it was very entertaining.

Basically, that match lacked the hard-nosed professionalism of the men's game. But so what? It has a more human and relatable charm as a result. Is it the highest level of the sport? No. But neither was the Wimbledon final this year that ended in a double-bagel. Yet, we know women's tennis can produce magic.
 

Dunno what peoples expectations are tbh. Mine arent that high when i watch it. Some of it looks fine. Some of it looks a bit amateurish still.(the defending) Would i watch your average league game. No. Have i enjoyed the Euros. Yep. It got the nod over the club world cup lol.
 
Is it not possible to have smaller nets for women's games? Feel like it would make it a lot better.
Has there been too many goals in the tournament? You've just watched a penalty shootout where half the penalties were easily saved and the other half were smashed out of the ground. I don't necessarily think it's a terrible idea, but is it absolutely needed?
 
Has there been too many goals in the tournament? You've just watched a penalty shootout where half the penalties were easily saved and the other half were smashed out of the ground. I don't necessarily think it's a terrible idea, but is it absolutely needed?

I didn't watch last night's game. I'm just speaking generally from all women's footie I've seen before.
 
I think your reservations are valid. One can love women's football and still prefer the men's game.

Top-level women's international football is interesting. But there is no depth beyond a handful of countries - which is what you would expect in a developing sport. Some of the women have incredible skill - as good as any male player. It's not about a lack of skill in the top players or teams. It's the lack of physicality and depth that hurts it in comparison to the men. But, again, that's the same in most women's sports.

On its own terms, women's sport can be brilliant. Martina Navratilova v Chris Evert was every bit as compelling a rivalry as any in any sport. Two genuises with contrasting styles bringing the very best out of each other on every surface. Would they beat the men? Not really, no. It wouldn't be a fair match because of male strength. Were they as skilled as the men - oh, yes. On pure skill and mental strength alone, game on!

We wouldn't expect a middleweight to defeat a heavyweight boxer. We have weight classes to make sport safe and level the playing field for competitors. We divide players into men's and women's categories for the same reasons.

Women's soccer has developed incredibly well in recent decades. It's a success story. The men's game will always offer more in terms of physicality and depth. But one can enjoy a lightweight boxing bout as much as a heavyweight clash - and not see the smaller boxers as inferior. I mean, do we think Marvelous Marvin Hagler was an "inferior" boxer to, say, Lennox Lewis? I don't think so. We think Lennox would likely win a brawl to the death between the two purely because of his size, but technically? That's a different call.

Last night's penalty shoot-out was a farce. One can love women's soccer and still laugh at the ludicrousness of what we witnessed. It's not that women are "inferior" - it's that they have probably had fewer opportunities so far to cope with the pressure they experienced last night. The Swedish team experienced a mental collapse last night. They won that game at least four times - and blew it every time. England, who showed great courage at 0-2 to come back and give themselves a chance, won the game on the strength of their gutsy comeback and then the mental capitulation of the Swedes.

If women's football wants more respect from people, we do at least have to admit when the standard falls off a cliff - as it did in that shoot-out last night. It was the equivalent of Navratilova and Evert going hammer and tongs, one of them blowing three match points from a set up and both them proceeding to a tiebreaker and serving underarm to each other whilst netting every return. It was a joke. But that's developing sport for you. And say what you like, it was very entertaining.

Basically, that match lacked the hard-nosed professionalism of the men's game. But so what? It has a more human and relatable charm as a result. Is it the highest level of the sport? No. But neither was the Wimbledon final this year that ended in a double-bagel. Yet, we know women's tennis can produce magic.

There is some weird perfectionism expected which I don't understand. for eg, how many times have 2 perfect mens team played eachother and its been boring as hell - loads

things going wrong/weird/different is the fun of watching things live. As a neutral, there is a great chance you'd have more fun with a season ticket in League 1 than Man City or something. You'd so loads of hilarious stuff, and thats entertaining.
 

Last night was low on quality but high on drama, two very different halves of the normal game, ET was a waste of time as both sides were gassed, and then the most absurd thing I've seen in years, the shoot out, and I witnessed the liz truss mini budget. :/

So it seems it's Italy in the semi final, they won't be quite so easy to roll over. As for this thread, there's some hot takes goin on for sure. Agree with someone earlier, I've found the women's euro's to be much less hateful than the cwc, that competition* seemed much more spiteful.

Also, the Spanish referee last night, how many cerveza's do you reckon she'd had? Some insane calls, glaring misses, and managed to get decked at least twice to boot. Good to see incompetence levels in the mens game has translated exactly over to the ladies game.
 
Worst penalty shootout ever. Confirmed every prejudice I’ve ever had about women’s football. All I’m interested in is whether I would or wouldn’t. Looking at a lot of those munters the answer is wouldn’t.
You've just made yourself look like the biggest t**t ever with that comment. I'd delete it if I were you. Just embarrassing.
 

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