2024/25 David Moyes

Captain Bligh said:
The biggest mistake he made was getting rid of Mike Phelan to bring in his own back room team of Steve Round and Phil Neville.

Phelan was massively popular with the players at the time and it demotivated them as well as killing any true link between SAF and Moyes eras
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He's not averse to getting shut of popular people about a club.
 

JobForTheMoyes said:
There’s a grain of truth but also much distortion. Moyes was making a big step up, but would have adapted over time.

Many of the Man Utd players weren’t having him, but the likes of Ferdinand now concede that they were wrong in how they behaved. Rooney was fuming at how many of the senior pros who should have helped actually worked to undermine the manager.

Moyes at Man Utd does show how much football culture has changed. In the 80s he’d have probably gotten more time and gone on to turn things around. The culture of the game is brutal and cutthroat nowadays.
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Maybe, but he didn't help himself by being an inflexible manager who couldn't emotionally connect with elite players or coach them to good effect.
 
davek said:
The thing is, Moyes didn't want to spend. It's not his M.O.

But the cash would have bene there as it was for his successors. Moyes was trying to prove a point that he could be a good little company man.

He started out with a squad where he could call upon

De Gea
Evra
Ferdinand
Vidic
Mata
Fellaini
Giggs
Carrick
Fletcher
Nani
Rooney
Hernandez
Van Persie


...to finish 7th with 25 points less than the previous season was a catastrophe for him.

There's no way you can polish a turd on this for Moyes. It's just not happening for you.
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If Moyes didn’t want to spend he wouldn’t have tried for Fabregas. Moyes knew what the key issue was - the midfield problem.

The big irony of it all is Moyes had secured the key piece to get them back on track without totally rebuilding - Toni Kroos. LVG killing that transfer was a major blunder. In my opinion the problems at Man Utd didn’t require such drastic action, but a measured, quality focused evolution. It’s certainly the sort of approach Ferguson would have advocated for, and he knows a fair bit about the sport.

Man Utd always had good players, but they were always about being more than the sum of their parts. They turned into Real Madrid lite.

It worked out well in the end as Man Utd have been completely humbled and could well end up a financial casualty.
 
davek said:
An utter myth that Moyes fans are desperate to breathe life into.

He didn't have the ideas and he failed.

Funnily enough, if United had gone for someone like Martinez that summer and not Moyes they'd have transitioned out of the Ferguson era much better. He'd at least have handed them a new identity and approach. And Martinez can show the sort of deference that big players (unreasonably in my view) demand.
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You're partially right that Moyes didn't have the ideas necessary for a club that were defending champions as his main tactic was playing lots of crosses into the box which didn't fit in with the way the senior Man Utd players wanted them to play. If you don't get the senior players at any club on board straight away you're usually toast at any club
 

Moyes has brought a feel good factor back to the club that has been missing for years and lets hope it continues.............but instead of the feel good factor people decide to dredge up history as a tool to try and diminish the feel good feeling and score points by trying to somehow prove to knowledgeable fans that he is pretty crap. Some people need to feed off the positive and put the negative to one side.

What is the point of dredging up negative history on someone who is giving us current positivity.
You are better than that lads.
 
banno said:
Moyes has brought a feel good factor back to the club that has been missing for years and lets hope it continues.............but instead of the feel good factor people decide to dredge up history as a tool to try and diminish the feel good feeling and score points by trying to somehow prove to knowledgeable fans that he is pretty crap. Some people need to feed off the positive and put the negative to one side.

What is the point of dredging up negative history on someone who is giving us current positivity.
You are better than that lads.
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Good post mate.
Some of these posts are really pathetic , in my opinion. Sucks the lifeblood out of any positivity. Must be fun to be around at parties !. Lol.
 
banno said:
Moyes has brought a feel good factor back to the club that has been missing for years and lets hope it continues.............but instead of the feel good factor people decide to dredge up history as a tool to try and diminish the feel good feeling and score points by trying to somehow prove to knowledgeable fans that he is pretty crap. Some people need to feed off the positive and put the negative to one side.

What is the point of dredging up negative history on someone who is giving us current positivity.
You are better than that lads.
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Some are....
 

banno said:
Moyes has brought a feel good factor back to the club that has been missing for years and lets hope it continues.............but instead of the feel good factor people decide to dredge up history as a tool to try and diminish the feel good feeling and score points by trying to somehow prove to knowledgeable fans that he is pretty crap. Some people need to feed off the positive and put the negative to one side.

What is the point of dredging up negative history on someone who is giving us current positivity.
You are better than that lads.
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No mate...some people aren't better than this.

This is their mindset.
 
Gilbert.. said:
It was you just above who said one of the best teams in Europe still lol.
It was an average squad in title winning terms. Plus the class players were past their best. It was Fergusons genius that brought that title home.
It wasnt a great squad for any new manager to take over. Throw in taking over from the legacy of Ferguson and it wasnt an attractive job at all. But thats on Moyes. He took it on, nobody else. Fair to say a wise man would have let someone else take that poisened chalice.
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If fairness to Moyes he was probably at a point where he needed to move on. Man united job was offered at a time when fans were running out of love here and not many British managers would be offered that job twice. It was a poisoned chalice but it probably paid him handsomely on the way in and on the way out the door, will always be mentioned as David Moyes, previously of Manchester United, and now back with us anyway.
Difficult to say it was a bad move him.
 
banno said:
Moyes has brought a feel good factor back to the club that has been missing for years and lets hope it continues.............but instead of the feel good factor people decide to dredge up history as a tool to try and diminish the feel good feeling and score points by trying to somehow prove to knowledgeable fans that he is pretty crap. Some people need to feed off the positive and put the negative to one side.

What is the point of dredging up negative history on someone who is giving us current positivity.
You are better than that lads.
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I like to be positive and I feel positive once again with wor Davie.

If there’s folks who want to bellyache over us no longer being in peril, well, I’d prefer to have my outlook.
 
Rita_Poon said:
is this a reference to Walter Smith?
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No Rita I doubt Walter could have helped him there — the reference was to Moyes and mostly his dad who was a firm friend of Alex Ferguson in the past and also not too long ago when Ferguson was retired and Moyes Senior could be sitting next to him at United home games, they grew up together in Glasgow.
 

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