New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[mccole]

 

[Exeter_Gently]

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[tommytowne]

We've heard a lot of what Rotheram thinks. But he and his LCR were partners in the transport plan as stakeholders.

If you could see the problems ahead, then LCR could see it for sure - and Rotheram knew more than you: that there was never any plan or intention to sort out anything better transportation-wise prior to this stadium's opening season. That sort of knowledge - which would have been made clear to the club and LCC - should have been the deal breaker for this stadium scheme. But it was allowed to gather pace and get over the line for regeneration purposes.

You imply correctly with your first sentence that Rotheram is hiding behind the transport plan being set up and chaired by Everton. But that wont get him off the hook here. And rightly so, because only a fool cant see that the local state is there to oversee the viability of major private-public schemes like this new stadium. It's literally his job to oversee the connectedness of what goes on in his bailiwick. And it's why he's been shifting so uneasily in the hot seat over transportation since spring of this year.

We've heard a lot of what Rotheram thinks. But he and his LCR were partners in the transport plan as stakeholders.

If you could see the problems ahead, then LCR could see it for sure - and Rotheram knew more than you: that there was never any plan or intention to sort out anything better transportation-wise prior to this stadium's opening season. That sort of knowledge - which would have been made clear to the club and LCC - should have been the deal breaker for this stadium scheme. But it was allowed to gather pace and get over the line for regeneration purposes.

You imply correctly with your first sentence that Rotheram is hiding behind the transport plan being set up and chaired by Everton. But that wont get him off the hook here. And rightly so, because only a fool cant see that the local state is there to oversee the viability of major private-public schemes like this new stadium. It's literally his job to oversee the connectedness of what goes on in his bailiwick. And it's why he's been shifting so uneasily in the hot seat over transportation since spring of this year.

Two years ago my younger relative that was working within the Liver Buildings on the project tasked with the logistical elements of the build, resigned from his position due mostly to the indifference of the LCC towards the project. His words then were on the lines of if Rotheram and his lackeys didn't start taking things seriously then there were going to be major ramifications in a negative way. Seems he could be correct.

 

[Tom Hughes]

There's a difference between the theoretical and the experienced reality.

Yes, the horse has bolted.
The first test events were months ago and the issues pretty well documented, but any protest on here or elsewhere has been pretty muted tbh.

 

[allen]

Yes, the horse has bolted.
The first test events were months ago and the issues pretty well documented, but any protest on here or elsewhere has been pretty muted tbh.

We haven't had 53,000 fans trying to get there and leave there.

Let's see what happens after the Roma game - and more significantly, the Brighton game.

If that doesn't go smoothly, Rotheram won't be able to shrug it off.

 

[Socistep2]

Exactly what Spurs do. I just don't get the endless negativity around such a fantastic stadium and vehicle to take the club to the next level.

Some people just love to moan, at the moment there is some risk but no actual issues

My best mate is a spurs fan and goes occasionally, he always has a drink after in the south stand and he's sent on videos and loads do the same

The reality is the club make more money from people staying for a pint or two after, plus a lot of people forget that the vast majority of the 5000-6000 corporate/hospitality will stay for a period of time post match

I doubt it's going to be as bad as some people think

 

[ultra]

We haven't had 53,000 fans trying to get there and leave there.

Let's see what happens after the Roma game - and more significantly, the Brighton game.

If that doesn't go smoothly, Rotheram won't be able to shrug it off.

Sounds like I will need a tin helmet at Sandhills - eek!

 

[Tom Hughes]

We haven't had 53,000 fans trying to get there and leave there.

Let's see what happens after the Roma game - and more significantly, the Brighton game.

If that doesn't go smoothly, Rotheram won't be able to shrug it off.

Yes, but there were some issues with less than half that number attending, and no real protest materialised on here, or elsewhere for that matter.

Knowsley council were more than prepared to cap the capacity at Kirkby, which after getting what they really wanted (a shopping Mall) would've been no skin off their nose. As was the case for Arsenal's stadium.

 

[allen]

Yes, but there were some issues with less than half that number attending, and no real protest materialised on here, or elsewhere for that matter.

Knowsley council were more than prepared to cap the capacity at Kirkby, which after getting what they really wanted (a shopping Mall) would've been no skin off their nose. As was the case for Arsenal's stadium.

Because it’s a test event and not the lived life of a match going Evertonian.

If there are problems, it won’t be brushed under the carpet.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Some people just love to moan, at the moment there is some risk but no actual issues

My best mate is a spurs fan and goes occasionally, he always has a drink after in the south stand and he's sent on videos and loads do the same

The reality is the club make more money from people staying for a pint or two after, plus a lot of people forget that the vast majority of the 5000-6000 corporate/hospitality will stay for a period of time post match

I doubt it's going to be as bad as some people think

Just a bit awkward when it's a midweek game sometimes but I'll do my best to have a pint afterwards if it eases the congestion at Sandhills. Take one for the team so to speak

 

[davek]

Two years ago my younger relative that was working within the Liver Buildings on the project tasked with the logistical elements of the build, resigned from his position due mostly to the indifference of the LCC towards the project. His words then were on the lines of if Rotheram and his lackeys didn't start taking things seriously then there were going to be major ramifications in a negative way. Seems he could be correct.

I dont think there's any doubt on the evidence of the previous two (under-capacity) test events.

Chaos is baked into this stadium scheme on the level of transportation.

It'll be a sore that opens up every time Everton have a home game.

And if, as has been suggested, LCC seek to cap the capacity of the stadium until more 'connectivity' allows its full safe capacity there wont be a door left on its hinges at the council's offices. That's not a route they'd likely go down IMO.

 

[windymiller]

We haven't had 53,000 fans trying to get there and leave there.

Let's see what happens after the Roma game - and more significantly, the Brighton game.

If that doesn't go smoothly, Rotheram won't be able to shrug it off.

I really don't understand why they don't just run a soccerbus service up and down Great Howard Street to and from the stadium and James Street. Sometimes the low tech solutions are the best ones. A dozen double deckers, a temporary bus lane, no low bridges. Bish, bash, bosh. Make me the mayor.

 

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[Tom Hughes]

Because it’s a test event and not the lived life of a match going Evertonian.

If there are problems, it won’t be brushed under the carpet.

Yes, a real life test event of everything, including transport. Led to little or no protest from fans or club.

Unless there's a real dangerous incident.... I think they'll probably comfortably fob everyone off. If it turns into gridlocked mayhem with ridiculously long dispersal times, they'll probably just extend the parking restrictions or road closures, or insist that fans aren't behaving the way the club and their experts told them.... etc, and/or cap the capacity after the next event. Unless they've failed to supply the agreed infrastructure investment, they're arses are generally covered.

 

[allen]

Yes, a real life test event of everything, including transport. Led to little or no protest from fans or club.

Unless there's a real dangerous incident.... I think they'll probably comfortably fob everyone off. If it turns into gridlocked mayhem with ridiculously long dispersal times, they'll probably just extend the parking restrictions or road closures, or insist that fans aren't behaving the way the club and their experts told them.... etc, and/or cap the capacity after the next event. Unless they've failed to supply the agreed infrastructure investment, they're arses are generally covered.

We're going round in circles here, so I'll just finish by reiterating that there's scope for things to improve if the reality is terrible. The situation won't just be abandoned by the council because the plan was written years ago.