New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

I'm hearing that there are plans for a secondary event after each home match this season. Discussions are ongoing, but the tentative plan is as follows:

After Brighton: the defrocking of DCL
After Aston Villa: the ritual disembowelment of Michael Keane
After West Ham: Seamus Coleman reads a chapter from his autobiography: "Captain for Life: How The Chairman, "God Rest His Soul", Taught Me Everything I Know."

The club is confident these attractions will ensure orderly dispersal after each home game and assuage traffic concerns.
 

Bluesnapper said:
The safety cert has nothing to do with Rotheram, the useless fecker area is transport.

Liverpool City Council deals with stadium safety.
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It's all related. The Green Guide calculates final safe capacity on the basis of stress testing 'exiting capacity' on both a regular and emergency basis.

If a lot of people are making their way rapidly enough out of the stadium for scarce transportation then that places pressure on egress. So the club needs to have as many people as possible exiting the stadium at one time in order to replicate these conditions to prove the stadium's up to that.

Trying to ensure there's nowhere near normal (never mind emergency) exit capacity post-Roma match is quite simply destroying the object of the exercise.

The club, I'm sure, have looked at what's happened post match for the lower capacity events there's been with alarm and have been advised to stagger exiting against Roma with that safety certificate in mind. Which leaves the question begging just how well the stadium will have been tested.
 
It's not related at all.

The Gov says:
Contact the local council if you want a safety certificate to run a sports ground in England, Scotland or Wales.
You must have a safety certificate for sports grounds which can hold:

  • more than 10,000 spectators
  • more than 5,000 spectators for Premier League or Football League matches
You can apply for:

  • a general safety certificate
  • a special safety certificate for specific occasions
You must specify which activities you’ll be hosting when you apply. Your certificate will only be valid for these activities.

As we already know Rotheram was quick to do a runner on Sandhills botch up as he said its down to Everton as they headed the working party, ignoring the fact that no matter what the club says it was only Rotheram who can do things in LCR transport.
 
Bluesnapper said:
It's not related at all.
The Gov says:
Contact the local council if you want a safety certificate to run a sports ground in England, Scotland or Wales.
You must have a safety certificate for sports grounds which can hold:
  • more than 10,000 spectators
  • more than 5,000 spectators for Premier League or Football League matchesYou can apply for:

  • a general safety certificate
  • a special safety certificate for specific occasionsYou must specify which activities you’ll be hosting when you apply. Your certificate will only be valid for these activities.
As we already know Rotheram was quick to do a runner on Sandhills botch up as he said its down to Everton as they headed the working party, ignoring the fact that no matter what the club says it was only Rotheram who can do things in LCR transport.
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It's all about safe egress from that new stadium. It stands to reason that if there's major limitations to leaving the area beyond the stadium because of scarce transportation opportunities to make your way home quickly then that will result in a knock-on effect for the stadium in terms of people wanting to leave it to get one of those scarce places. Certainly until patterns of behaviour are settled.

This is why Rotheram's inactivity is front and centre here and it always was going to be the Achilles heel of this stadium scheme.
 

Rotheram will simply say that this is the club's transport plan, created by the club's transport experts using the club's fanbase and consultation data, for the club's planning application...... all to show that this site, with its access to the Northern line capacity, Shuttle bus capacity, walkable proximity to the city centre and all bus/train/ferry routes there and those on Scotland Rd/Stanley Rd, will all suffice in terms of transport requirements. If it turns out that any aspects of the public transport provision and road infrastructure are insufficient or potentially dangerous, he can either close or limit access to those areas. The council could possibly even cap the capacity of the stadium, if certain terms of the agreed transport plan have not been met. As we saw with Kirkby, where capacity could have been capped if the required modal-shift to public was not achieved, thus causing excessive congestion etc. You can go round and round the houses on what you think the council should've provided, but the bottom line will always be what was agreed.
 
Tom Hughes said:
Rotheram will simply say that this is the club's transport plan, created by the club's transport experts using the club's fanbase and consultation data, for the club's planning application...... all to show that this site, with its access to the Northern line capacity, Shuttle bus capacity, walkable proximity to the city centre and all bus/train/ferry routes there and those on Scotland Rd/Stanley Rd, will all suffice in terms of transport requirements. If it turns out that any aspects of the public transport provision and road infrastructure are insufficient or potentially dangerous, he can either close or limit access to those areas. The council could possibly even cap the capacity of the stadium, if certain terms of the agreed transport plan have not been met. As we saw with Kirkby, where capacity could have been capped if the required modal-shift to public was not achieved, thus causing excessive congestion etc. You can go round and round the houses on what you think the council should've provided, but the bottom line will always be what was agreed.
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We've heard a lot of what Rotheram thinks. But he and his LCR were partners in the transport plan as stakeholders.

If you could see the problems ahead, then LCR could see it for sure - and Rotheram knew more than you: that there was never any plan or intention to sort out anything better transportation-wise prior to this stadium's opening season. That sort of knowledge - which would have been made clear to the club and LCC - should have been the deal breaker for this stadium scheme. But it was allowed to gather pace and get over the line for regeneration purposes.

You imply correctly with your first sentence that Rotheram is hiding behind the transport plan being set up and chaired by Everton. But that wont get him off the hook here. And rightly so, because only a fool cant see that the local state is there to oversee the viability of major private-public schemes like this new stadium. It's literally his job to oversee the connectedness of what goes on in his bailiwick. And it's why he's been shifting so uneasily in the hot seat over transportation since spring of this year.
 
Tom Hughes said:
You can go round and round the houses on what you think the council should've provided, but the bottom line will always be what was agreed.
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Well I think the more important bottom line ought to be what needs to change to make any problems better?

You can’t fall back on previously-made decisions if they don’t work in the reality of the present. You have to find a way.
 
allen said:
Well I think the more important bottom line ought to be what needs to change to make any problems better?

You can’t fall back on previously-made decisions if they don’t work in the reality of the present. You have to find a way.
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Walking has always been their fall-back. Their other argument will be to say that they supplied all the agreed provision, based on the club's plan, which in turn was based on the club's fanbase and consultation data, where the club asked the fans how we would be travelling to/from the match etc. If it transpires that the reality is different, they can simply say that the sorry but the cupboard is bare, and if necessary shut/limit access to stations as happened at Arsenal's new stadium, or even cap the stadium capacity, saying that the club's predicted modal shift and/or traffic-modelling was innacurate or not achieved...... reiterating that there is more than adequate public transport within walking distance.

The new Government funding that's just been announced might open up more transport investment opportunities (station at Vauxhall, Gliders etc) that haven't been available to date. The Euros may also prompt more public funding.
 
Tom Hughes said:
Walking has always been their fall-back. Their other argument will be to say that they supplied all the agreed provision, based on the club's plan, which in turn was based on the club's fanbase and consultation data, where the club asked the fans how we would be travelling to/from the match etc. If it transpires that the reality is different, they can simply say that the sorry but the cupboard is bare, and if necessary shut/limit access to stations as happened at Arsenal's new stadium, or even cap the stadium capacity, saying that the club's predicted modal shift and/or traffic-modelling was innacurate or not achieved...... reiterating that there is more than adequate public transport within walking distance.

The new Government funding that's just been announced might open up more transport investment opportunities (station at Vauxhall, Gliders etc) that haven't been available to date. The Euros may also prompt more public funding.
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I trust the majority of the fanbase wouldn't acquiesce in the face of problems so readily.
 

allen said:
I trust the majority of the fanbase wouldn't acquiesce in the face of problems so readily.
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We've known the shortfall and potential problems since the transport plan was first published 5yrs or more ago. When I first mentioned my reservations on here, the majority simply said..... it's a short walking distance from town.
 

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