New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Tom Hughes]

No they weren’t. I checked this. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/31

Yes, I knew they hadn't, which by the logic applied to your previous comment about us having only averaged over 50k once, would suggest that LFC shouldn't pursue 60k+ either..... which is obviously nonsense.

 

[Tom Hughes]

It’s a numbers game. Building for a stadium of 60k? Why stop there? Why not 70k? How about we produce a team that’s a global success and then talk about increasing the capacity…. Just an idea….

Which is why the question of future-proofing of the stadium was also raised....... after all, there is no point of talking about future expansions if it's not spacially, logistically or financially viable to do so at that site.

 

[Thetigerblue]

Yes, I knew they hadn't, which by the logic applied to your previous comment about us having only averaged over 50k once, would suggest that LFC shouldn't pursue 60k+ either..... which is obviously nonsense.

Well they’re a global brand with most supporters outside the city. We’re neither. You think we’d fill a stadium of 70k every other week?

 

[Thetigerblue]

Which is why the question of future-proofing of the stadium was also raised....... after all, there is no point of talking about future expansions if it's not spacially, logistically or financially viable to do so at that site.

You’re right. We should have built at Kirby.

 

[Davideeyore]

As someone pointed out many posts ago, Everton have only once exceeded average attendances of over 50000 in its entire history. And that was in 62/63.

Average attendances have no bearing.

It's a misnomer. In the past attendances fluctuated. Stadiums weren't always full to the brim, but it's good to have had a big stadium capacity should we need it.

Better to have available capacity should we need it (big games) than keeping it low ensuring less people can go.

 

[gazzaa2]

52k was always a joke

 

[Makis]

Average attendances have no bearing.

It's a misnomer. In the past attendances fluctuated. Stadiums weren't always full to the brim, but it's good to have had a big stadium capacity should we need it.

Better to have available capacity should we need it (big games) than keeping it low ensuring less people can go.

That capacity costs money to build and upkeep so no, a big stadium is not automatically good.

 

[Makis]

Which is pretty much what I said in my previous posts. The point however, was the issue of future-proofing was also raised. .... ie what happens if we do become massively successful in the next few years and demand does increase. Can the stadium, its site and infrastructure support an expansion, or is 53k-60k the cost/space/logistics-effective limit?

Could be, but how many would have been happier if the stadium was built in Kirkby or somewhere with plenty of room around?

 

[Davideeyore]

I'm convinced all those crying about the capacity must have been asleep these past 2 years. How have you not noticed that this 53k iteration almost crippled us financially?

I take issue with that. An incompetent owner and management of the club is what caused the financial issues. That was not the stadium's fault. The stadium may have also benefited with a proper financial loan instead of the way Moshiri financed it.

People seem to be deflecting the subject of a bigger capacity by making out it would bankrupt us. Rubbish. Again it was the owner and the incompetent board that put us in a financial mess not the stadium itself.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Well they’re a global brand with most supporters outside the city. We’re neither. You think we’d fill a stadium of 70k every other week?

No, never said that we would at this time, was just repeating the point made about future-proofing. At the same time you based your assertion on our one 50k+ average..... when as I showed, multiple clubs who had never averaged over 50k in their histories are aiming high. Birmingham have never averaged over 38k.... they and West Ham are either already in, or looking at 60k+.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Could be, but how many would have been happier if the stadium was built in Kirkby or somewhere with plenty of room around?

Very few would be.... but Kirkby wasn't the only other option.

 

[allen]

The biggest headache to a uniform expansion at Bramley-Moore is the United Utilities plant to the North.

Particularly if we’re buying Nelson Dock, it’d be at least technically possible to extend in the other three directions.

Cost would be the limiting factor.

 

[gazzaa2]

Well they’re a global brand with most supporters outside the city. We’re neither. You think we’d fill a stadium of 70k every other week?

A successful team easily. Look at the waiting list even now for a team that's been garbage for 30 years.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

The biggest headache to a uniform expansion at Bramley-Moore is the United Utilities plant to the North.

Particularly if we’re buying Nelson Dock, it’d be at least technically possible to extend in the other three directions.

Cost would be the limiting factor.

That will be an absolute eyesore down there soon.

Is that Peel land or do UU own it?

 

[Davideeyore]

Well they’re a global brand with most supporters outside the city. We’re neither. You think we’d fill a stadium of 70k every other week?

Another point linked to my earlier one.

Why do we have to fill the stadium every week?

Like I said earlier, it would be nice to have a stadium with a bigger capacity for big (in demand) games. Just like the old days attendances were never capacity every week they don't have to be.

We don't want the unsightly empty banks of seats like you get in lower leagues however.

That's where a variable capacity could come in. I asked Meis about that in 2018 at St Lukes, (he said no).