New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Frenk]

Starting to feel the onset of irritable bowl syndrome

Heading to the bowl….

 

[PhilM]

 

[NathDogg]

And no red beetroot !

Cmon TFG ffs, get the blue beetroot sorted.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Our recent record at Goodison is rubbish. Safety blanket...ok

I think he may be referring to the recent examples of repeatedly avoiding relegation, despite generally very poor sides.... of course combined with that far longer established statistical fact that GP has hosted easily more top flight games than any other English stadium. Indeed more than any stadium in the world, apart from Celtic park. Which at least suggests some talismanic or "safety blanket" value.

 

[vintage-toffees]

Really don’t get this bowl discussion
Having been to both the test games this for me is the least bowl like ground built recently that I’ve been and I’ve been to all the uk ones

 

[Timbucktoo]

Really don’t get this bowl discussion
Having been to both the test games this for me is the least bowl like ground built recently that I’ve been and I’ve been to all the uk ones

The way that both ends of the ground are different to each other takes away any sort of bowl shape to the ground. It looks like it has 4 distinct sides which is more of a traditional English stadium look, as apposed to the Emirates style bowl which is dull, boring and seriously lacking a bit of character.

 

[Tom Hughes]

I really don't think there is an answer to that question, moving 50K people anywhere is a huge task, it's never easy, given time will get easier but it won't ever be simple to get in and out. You'll find that plenty of people will hang around after the game for a few drinks at the ground, others will go to nearby pubs others to that marquee across the road, others walking back into town others on busses you're never going to get 53K people stampeding towards sandhills.

Yes, it is always difficult to get these large numbers of people to and (particulary) away from any stadium. That is why site choice is an essential part of the process, because creating that type of infrastructure at a poorly sited venue can be more expensive than the stadium itself.

That ease of movement is entirely dependent on the number of available routes serving the vicinity and their (excess) capacities, aswell as the amount of public transport provision that serves the site, and how much of the fanbase/customer-base has access to direct-services to that site, because public transport can move far more people, more efficiently than cars. Hence the desire to be as close to the city-centre as possible, which generally copes with equivalent or larger people-movements every rush hour, and often much larger numbers when the city hosts special events etc.

Proximity to the city centre was continually highlighted as one of the key selling points for BMD. However, this disguised the obvious fact that apart from the Northern line nearby, the site itself is in a public transport blindspot, with very limited road access and probably right at the limit of "convenient" walking distance to/from those transport hubs/networks.

I think there are solutions to bridge that gap between the site and the city centre, but as the transport plan clearly states, that requires a complete reversal in the proportions of fans using public transport/walking to the stadium as opposed to cars. If we don't fully embrace that, and that modal-shift is not achieved, then the site will be gridlocked, as was seen at times for the 2nd event, at less than half-capacity.

 

[vintage-toffees]

The way that both ends of the ground are different to each other takes away any sort of bowl shape to the ground. It looks like it has 4 distinct sides which is more of a traditional English stadium look, as apposed to the Emirates style bowl which is dull, boring and seriously lacking a bit of character.

Definitely
Spurs has a more distinct bowl feel and appearance when your there also

 

[Tom Hughes]

Really don’t get this bowl discussion
Having been to both the test games this for me is the least bowl like ground built recently that I’ve been and I’ve been to all the uk ones

Bowl was the general generic term originally used to describe the basic US bowl type stadia that started to appear in the early 20th century. Usually oval in plan view, and often enormous in capacity.

This was much later applied to the generation of what we called "flat-pack" stadiums built in the UK following the Taylor Report. A single continous tier with all corners filled.... as at Leicester and Southampton etc. The distinction being made that traditionally most UK stadia were 4 independent stands, often with clear gaps in the corners or at least clear lines of demarcation between different sections. The key difference being that these new stadia attempted to turn the corners, forming a bowl. Of course this also applied to some multi-tiered stadia that formed a continuous unbroken wall of people around all corners.... ie complete containment!

Americans tend use the term "bowl" to generally refer to the stands.... (continuous or not). In the UK some still make that distinction. Of course, it is possible for a "bowl" to also have distinct individual stands. Both Spurs and ourselves achieve that, as do many others to varying degrees.

 

[Tim UpperBullen]

I think he may be referring to the recent examples of repeatedly avoiding relegation, despite generally very poor sides.... of course combined with that far longer established statistical fact that GP has hosted easily more top flight games than any other English stadium. Indeed more than any stadium in the world, apart from Celtic park. Which at least suggests some talismanic or "safety blanket" value.

Our past few seasons have been poor in respect of results. The safety blanket reference is surely in relation to the fear of short term anxiety of moving into a new stadium and a potential adverse effect on results. They can't get much worse !

 

[Timbucktoo]

Definitely
Spurs has a more distinct bowl feel and appearance when your there also

I`ve only seen Spurs on the tv and it looks really like an NFL stadium with the corporate levels stacked up, and then one big end for the ordinary folks to go.

 

[Dixieslaces]

I`ve only seen Spurs on the tv and it looks really like an NFL stadium with the corporate levels stacked up, and then one big end for the ordinary folks to go.

Just been chatting to a colleague who lives directly opposite Spurs stadium and she has said they(Spurs) give tickets free to local residents for Concerts and events, this weekend saw Beyonce(not my cup of tea, even tho she went "Country" lol) shes been to Boxing etc and she actually said it feels like we are in a Bowl as the stadium has that feel.

*quite a nice perk tho to be fair

 

[Sharpattack]

Have they opened the Everton Way where the commemorative bricks are supposed to be visible?

 

[allen]

Have they opened the Everton Way where the commemorative bricks are supposed to be visible?

 

[Tom Hughes]

Our past few seasons have been poor in respect of results. The safety blanket reference is surely in relation to the fear of short term anxiety of moving into a new stadium and a potential adverse effect on results. They can't get much worse !

Yes, they can get much worse..... Relegation or even multiple relegations and many years in the lower leagues, as experienced by all other clubs, would be far worse imo.