2024/25 Idrissa Gueye

NeilMorepies said:
?? How do we know there isn’t going to be a sudden drop off in quality or fitness?
That is exactly what happens to players at the end of their careers. It can happen at any time, just look at Kyle Walker.

There is nothing to say Gueye doesn’t have another two years in him, but there will be a big drop off at some point. What we don’t want is to be stuck yet again with a player after this happens.
This is why players over 30, and especially 35 only get one year extensions at every other club.
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Players who rely on pace will always stand out like a sore thumb when that pace ultimately leaves them. Gueye's game is not about pace; it's about stamina, reading of the game, tackling and passing. The fact that he actually improved his overall game last season gives me great hope that there will be no sudden decline.

The club must balance its needs (to have a player like him) with the risk (him not being able to maintain this level for two years, or being unable to offload him after a season).

The solution:
There would surely be no resistance from him in Everton having him for one season with a club option for a second, I doubt for one second he'd hesistate to sign it if he's truly happy and settled here. Or as a middleground, a second season guaranteed but on reduced wages.

The fact a contract hasn't been signed though indicates to me he's probably off.
 

I agree 2 years is a big risk.

You know for a fact that if he’s not performing in the 2nd year he will get torn a new one on here and by the hard of thinking in our fanbase.

Just like they turned on Cahill and Weir at the end of their careers.
 
GoldenToffee said:
Players who rely on pace will always stand out like a sore thumb when that pace ultimately leaves them. Gueye's game is not about pace; it's about stamina, reading of the game, tackling and passing. The fact that he actually improved his overall game last season gives me great hope that there will be no sudden decline.

The club must balance its needs (to have a player like him) with the risk (him not being able to maintain this level for two years, or being unable to offload him after a season).

The solution:
There would surely be no resistance from him in Everton having him for one season with a club option for a second, I doubt for one second he'd hesistate to sign it if he's truly happy and settled here.
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I’d be very surprised if an option of the second year hasn’t been offered. But he wants a guarantee of a two year contract. That is up to him. Personally I think he’d be up to it, but it would only take a knock that he can’t shake off at this stage of his career.

It’s a big risk, and one that the fans have been demanding the Club don’t take anymore given the number of players we have previously been stuck with who are done, but on long contracts.

Fans applaud TFGs supposed shift towards younger players and more appropriate contracts, but demand they don’t follow that policy at the first opportunity.
 
NeilMorepies said:
I’d be very surprised if an option of the second year hasn’t been offered. But he want a guarantee of a two year contract. That is up to him. Personally I think he’d be up to it, but it would only take a knock that he can’t shake off at this stage of his career.

It’s a big risk, and one that the fans have been demanding the Club don’t take anymore given the number of players we have previously been stuck with who are done, but in long contracts.

Fans applaud TFGs supposed shift towards younger players and more appropriate contracts, but demand they don’t follow that policy at the first opportunity.
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Aye. It's about finding the balance with the contracts. Any slight indication that he was on the decline and I'd be totally against a two-year deal, but the fact he actually got better last season has me wondering if he's worth an exception.

Especially with the number of positions we need to strengthen in, perhaps it's not so bad offering a second year on a reduced salary. Up to him then if he wants to sign. I do think he's probably off like.
 

GoldenToffee said:
Aye. It's about finding the balance with the contracts. Any slight indication that he was on the decline and I'd be totally against a two-year deal, but the fact he actually got better last season has me wondering if he's worth an exception.

Especially with the number of positions we need to strengthen in, perhaps it's not so bad offering a second year on a reduced salary. Up to him then if he wants to sign. I do think he's probably off like.
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Yup, and even then he’d look at it and say he was better last season and you want to reduce his wages?

Other clubs in slower leagues obviously think he’s less of a gamble. They will offer the two years and it will be down to the wages.
The fact it’s two French clubs shows he might probably want to return to France. It’s just a question of whether those clubs are in a place financially that they can take more of a gamble than we can.
 
Evo2901 said:
I don’t think a two year deal’s as big of a risk as people think to be honest. Saudi clubs have been courting him this summer so I’m sure one of them would be more than willing to pay us a couple of million next summer (if he does drop a level for us that is).
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This is a really good point, it’s not like we’re resigning him to “secure the asset”. Even if he left for buttons one of the Saudi clubs would be more then willing to take him and get him off our wage bill and he’d get a decent wage bump for moving there I’m guessing
 
NeilMorepies said:
Yup, and even then he’d look at it and say he was better last season and you want to reduce his wages?

Other clubs in slower leagues obviously think he’s less of a gamble. They will offer the two years and it will be down to the wages.
The fact it’s two French clubs shows he might probably want to return to France. It’s just a question of whether those clubs are in a place financially that they can take more of a gamble than we can.
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Solid points. I guess the club can point to his age and tell him he's not getting a similar deal elsewhere in a big league. He can choose if he wants to go elsewhere for the money. He could go to France, but nobody will pay him what we'll pay him for an additional season, so even if they gave him a two-year deal it'd likely balance out to be about even anyway. Very curious what will be decided - hope he stays.
 
davek said:
A complete no brainer this one.

It's a concern if the club are driving a hard bargain with a player of proven quality like this.
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You've got Nick Hammond deal with contract negotiations according to Paddy Boyland, which is a worry for me because unless you're an Evertonian that has watched Gueye week in week out am not sure he realises how important Gueye is to this team.
 
Thomasc said:
I agree 2 years is a big risk.

You know for a fact that if he’s not performing in the 2nd year he will get torn a new one on here and by the hard of thinking in our fanbase.

Just like they turned on Cahill and Weir at the end of their careers.
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I dont think it's a big risk.

The likelihood of him falling off a cliff in the next 6 months seems low to me. So if you can get a year our of him (and this is worst case) then you only have a year of carrying his wages if he drops off.

We dont have a huge budget, giving Gana a 2-year, means you've got a further 12 months to delay having to find an immediate replacement.

We won't he lumbered with him for years if he drops off, and we dont even know if he will drop off yet.
 

Thomasc said:
I agree 2 years is a big risk.

You know for a fact that if he’s not performing in the 2nd year he will get torn a new one on here and by the hard of thinking in our fanbase.

Just like they turned on Cahill and Weir at the end of their careers.
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Two years for a player who remains at the top of his game is not a big risk.

Even if he drops off a cliff, there’s a long way for him to fall before he offers nothing.

It’s only two years, it’s not five.
 
If he wants 2 years just give him it. Nobody else can do what he does and he does it consistently so even if we only got a year before he drops off, so what it is still worth it. I personally think he has got at least 2 years left him in anyway so stop arsing around and get him sorted before his head gets turned.
 
NeilMorepies said:
I’d be very surprised if an option of the second year hasn’t been offered. But he wants a guarantee of a two year contract. That is up to him. Personally I think he’d be up to it, but it would only take a knock that he can’t shake off at this stage of his career.

It’s a big risk, and one that the fans have been demanding the Club don’t take anymore given the number of players we have previously been stuck with who are done, but on long contracts.

Fans applaud TFGs supposed shift towards younger players and more appropriate contracts, but demand they don’t follow that policy at the first opportunity.
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I guess he wouldn’t take a contract that says if he’s injured he gets 50% of his wages. If he doesn’t play in a game but is fit it’s 75%

From a club perspective that would make sense on a two year deal
 

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