New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

Another quick qs.... I expect you can transfer an adults ST to a child member for games right.... just not the other way around?
When I had a ST with my late dad who had a consession ticket, on the odd occasion he couldnt go, i just had to call up the box office and pay the difference to assign to a standard adult. All worked well.
 

When we built the stadium we could not offer up much enabling cash for transport improvements and that has contributed to the passive approach.

If Colin Chong is imaginative there is a deal to be done where Everton/TFG offer up additional ‘catalyst’ money now to the council and region to kickstart Sandhills ‘new’ platform and signal modernisation in return for support acquiring Nelson Dock/land opposite the stadium plus the promise of central government enabling cash in 2-3 years time when we have acquired the land and achieved planning,

Peel should ideally do the same to enable a new station but they are notoriously tight so like TFG they might need to be encouraged by eg promise of more central government funding for their master plan once Central Docks is delivered/well underway.

It requires someone with some vision, available cash and the ability to charm central government to get things moving. The onus is on the club/TFG because relying on Rotheram will get us nowhere fast.
 
The planning application was guided by the transport group, of which Rotheram's office and the city council were part. If they were looking at no investment on transport at that stage for a built stadium and had no plans to fund transport improvements around BMD they should have ripped that application up when it hit the planning departments desk.

They didn't because they wanted regeneration from Everton and so they went along with a flawed plan to get something like 55,000 people per home game into an awkwardly remote-for-transport facility.

We've been over this and you simply wont face up to that and continue to defend, not the decision to pass it, but the right of LA's in the aftermath of a build to expect a partner in the regeneration of their city to carry the can on transport. That's unfathomable for a supporter of the club. It's just an unreasonable position to take up.

It is the club's project and their planning application! It is no use crying about what was agreed after the fact.... any negotiation leverage is long gone, whether we were investing thousands or billions, it is almost meaningless at this point!

As I said, some of us were making the point about the site's inadequate transport to the club, the authorities and on some of these forums at the time. You said next to nothing! Of course, now you see it as yet another one of your (many) contrarian soapbox opportunities.

The club's transport plan was always half-arsed, but it's fall-back safety net has always been proximity to the city centre and all of the public transport capacity provided there. I think there are workable short term solutions to bridge that gap..... and hopefully better, hardwired longer term solutions will become available soon.... with 2028 being at least one major opportunity that could release funding.
 

The planning application was guided by the transport group, of which Rotheram's office and the city council were part. If they were looking at no investment on transport at that stage for a built stadium and had no plans to fund transport improvements around BMD they should have ripped that application up when it hit the planning departments desk.

They didn't because they wanted regeneration from Everton and so they went along with a flawed plan to get something like 55,000 people per home game into an awkwardly remote-for-transport facility.

We've been over this and you simply wont face up to that and continue to defend, not the decision to pass it, but the right of LA's in the aftermath of a build to expect a partner in the regeneration of their city to carry the can on transport. That's unfathomable for a supporter of the club. It's just an unreasonable position to take up.
At the moment there is no issue, there is a risk of course but we also need to be aware that with every major development that things will need to be tweaked and improved on - that could be any aspect of the project, catering, lounges, transport, ingress and egress

There will be some insights from the 2 test events but lots more to come

Also people are versatile and will adapt, for me personally I'll be walking into town more with a pint stop on the way, looking forward to it !
 
We'd have never built this stadium if he'd have been in situ at the start of the project....he'd have but the blockers on it.

Absolutely convinced of it.

The push back from him even now is amazing.

The fella treats it as one, big, expensive, inconvenience.

I think it will be the end of him. I can't see a match ever going ahead without massive transportation issues.
 
The fella treats it as one, big, expensive, inconvenience.

I think it will be the end of him. I can't see a match ever going ahead without massive transportation issues.
He's not interested either,in his eyes it's our problem

He's made that very clear.

He'd fly the day trippers straight from town to Anfield on magic carpets if he could.
 

It is the club's project and their planning application! It is no use crying about what was agreed after the fact.... any negotiation leverage is long gone, whether we were investing thousands or billions, it is almost meaningless at this point!


That's the point though isn't it - the transport working group was set up one year before the plan was submitted to LCC to progress the transport strategy for the new stadium. So the LCC and LCR had 12 months worth of meetings as equal stakeholders with EFC to pipe up and say: "This wont fly as it is...and we wont be handing any funding to transport issues at BMD, so you need to reconsider your plans". But they didn't do that because they were desperate for Everton to solve the regeneration issues in north Liverpool that they were clueless to solve themselves. In other words there should never have been an agreement in the first place. The local state are to blame here. They are the source o this problem. You resist that for some unknown reason.

As I said, some of us were making the point about the site's inadequate transport to the club, the authorities and on some of these forums at the time. You said next to nothing! Of course, now you see it as yet another one of your (many) contrarian soapbox opportunities.

As I've demonstrated to you on this forum before, I was voicing concerns about transport way before you ever piped up about it here, so your criticism of me 'saying next to nothing' while trumpeting your own dubious 'achievements' on the latter is factually incorrect and a bit pathetic..

The club's transport plan was always half-arsed, but it's fall-back safety net has always been proximity to the city centre and all of the public transport capacity provided there. I think there are workable short term solutions to bridge that gap..... and hopefully better, hardwired longer term solutions will become available soon.... with 2028 being at least one major opportunity that could release funding.

Stop making a virtue out of a necessity.

Your solution here is no solution at all if our most vulnerable fans are forced to relinquish their match going - and that WILL be the case. There is no 'workable short term solution' if it involves public transport from the city centre because of the hard landing zones in position. It'll take people (crawling along at a snail's pace) only so far and it amounts to a devil take the hindmost plan of action for the vulnerable.

The only 'solution' as it stands is a hard nosed Darwinian solution of having tens of thousands of people walking fair distances and that amounts to a completely unworkable environment for hundreds of our disabled fans until such time as adequate transportation is provided to that stadium.
 
It should be the end of commandant Rotherham - he’s been derelict in his duty since before the ground was broken down at BMD, the lack of investment to the transport in the area is criminal.

He genuinely took the RS stance of believing that the stadium never getting built because it’s Everton’s and just forgot about his job.

Sandhills is a disgrace.
The road and buses are a mess - zero thought or planning.

I’ll be getting into town for a few scoops then walking to BMD, then walking back to town post match, but I’m fortunate and fit enough at the moment to be able to do that - god help anyone who isn’t.
 
When we built the stadium we could not offer up much enabling cash for transport improvements and that has contributed to the passive approach.

If Colin Chong is imaginative there is a deal to be done where Everton/TFG offer up additional ‘catalyst’ money now to the council and region to kickstart Sandhills ‘new’ platform and signal modernisation in return for support acquiring Nelson Dock/land opposite the stadium plus the promise of central government enabling cash in 2-3 years time when we have acquired the land and achieved planning,

Peel should ideally do the same to enable a new station but they are notoriously tight so like TFG they might need to be encouraged by eg promise of more central government funding for their master plan once Central Docks is delivered/well underway.

It requires someone with some vision, available cash and the ability to charm central government to get things moving. The onus is on the club/TFG because relying on Rotheram will get us nowhere fast.
That all amounts to the fans paying more out. Because the stadium and anything the club offer on top for infrastructure improvements is ultimately paid by them.

There's public cash to be had out there, but we have a Kopite who also happens to be a clueless get in the hot seat and wont/cant push for it.

If it was Burnham in here at LCR he'd be persecuting Reeves et al for funding for what is an important regeneration project that Everton FC anchors.

Everton and their fans have done their bit, time for the government to cough up now. Not much chance of that with Bobby 'kin Chariot in charge though.
 

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