New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Tom Hughes]

'Some' would say they owe Everton nothing and they've been rational actors in doing precisely f.a. by way of transport solutions for this stadium as they're taking proper care of taxpayers' money in that respect. 'Some' of them post on here in fact...

As you well know.... they owe them precisely what was agreed in planning. Laid out clearly several years ago (when Joe Anderson was still in office). As far as I can see, that is what is being delivered (unless you know differently). Some of us were saying that it was inadequate at the time (before, during and after planning permission was granted).

Perhaps, some of the £1.6bn will now go towards a new station at Vauxhall.... that alone will not necessarily increase line capacity as that requires major signalling and probably new station works in the city centre (unless a short shuttle service can be fitted in), but it would greatly improve convenience and marshalling at the stations. Hopefully at some point the waterfront can get it's own dedicated MRT system, starting with the Gliders or similar. In the meantime.... it's Merseyrail, a few shuttle buses and Shank's pony to/from town for the able-bodied.

 

[davek]

Not sure if its been posted in this thread so apologies if so

Everton FC - Steve Rotheram: "We'll have different contingencies" - BBC Sounds

Steve Rotheram on the Bank Holiday weekend when Everton host Brighton

www.bbc.co.uk

Disgraceful.

A mixture of blaming Everton and denial.

Disabled people are best "going into town and jumping the bus".

What a divvy.

Nothing has been done by this feller since the first test event. All he's done is try to hone his excuses and deflect better.

 

[John from Bootle]

Disgraceful.

A mixture of blaming Everton and denial.

Disabled people are best "going into town and jumping the bus".

What a divvy.

Nothing has been done by this feller since the first test event. All he's done is try to hone his excuses and deflect better.

I do feel it's not just exclusive to us though. The RS have increased their capacity by 50% over the last 10 years or so, are they really better served by rail than us? They've got the options of Kirkdale (1.4 miles), Sandhills (1.7m) and Bank Hall(1.8m). Obviously they are better served by buses, but surely this just highlights that trains needn't be the only solution? Granted, they should be the ideal solution, but that's not to say a quick cheap fix of just having more buses can't make a difference.

FWIW, I'm firmly of the belief that the rail solution needs to be invested in. I've heard the talk of a station at Vauxhall and that would be great. There is one other potential solution though, and that would be to have a second platform at Sandhills, just to the north. one platfform for Southbound and one for northbound

 

[davek]

As you well know.... they owe them precisely what was agreed in planning. Laid out clearly several years ago (when Joe Anderson was still in office). As far as I can see, that is what is being delivered (unless you know differently). Some of us were saying that it was inadequate at the time (before, during and after planning permission was granted).

Perhaps, some of the £1.6bn will now go towards a new station at Vauxhall.... that alone will not necessarily increase line capacity as that requires major signalling and probably new station works in the city centre (unless a short shuttle service can be fitted in), but it would greatly improve convenience and marshalling at the stations. Hopefully at some point the waterfront can get it's own dedicated MRT system, starting with the Gliders or similar. In the meantime.... it's Merseyrail, a few shuttle buses and Shank's pony to/from town for the able-bodied.

The planning application was guided by the transport group, of which Rotheram's office and the city council were part. If they were looking at no investment on transport at that stage for a built stadium and had no plans to fund transport improvements around BMD they should have ripped that application up when it hit the planning departments desk.

They didn't because they wanted regeneration from Everton and so they went along with a flawed plan to get something like 55,000 people per home game into an awkwardly remote-for-transport facility.

We've been over this and you simply wont face up to that and continue to defend, not the decision to pass it, but the right of LA's in the aftermath of a build to expect a partner in the regeneration of their city to carry the can on transport. That's unfathomable for a supporter of the club. It's just an unreasonable position to take up.

 

[davek]

I do feel it's not just exclusive to us though. The RS have increased their capacity by 50% over the last 10 years or so, are they really better served by rail than us? They've got the options of Kirkdale (1.4 miles), Sandhills (1.7m) and Bank Hall(1.8m). Obviously they are better served by buses, but surely this just highlights that trains needn't be the only solution? Granted, they should be the ideal solution, but that's not to say a quick cheap fix of just having more buses can't make a difference.

FWIW, I'm firmly of the belief that the rail solution needs to be invested in. I've heard the talk of a station at Vauxhall and that would be great. There is one other potential solution though, and that would be to have a second platform at Sandhills, just to the north. one platfform for Southbound and one for northbound

They have settled patterns of access and egress to that stadium built up over decades and decades and decades and they have that from all points - east, west, south and north. .

Their situation is incomparable to what Everton face at the docks.

 

[mickefc]

The stadium isnt only open for 2hrs on a matchday though is it.
It will be a place of work throughout the week for a multitude of people.


So yeah, we do need one, whether you like it or not.

We don't 'need' one at all. The same as we don't need gender neutral bogs.

 

[Jacko93]

I do feel it's not just exclusive to us though. The RS have increased their capacity by 50% over the last 10 years or so, are they really better served by rail than us? They've got the options of Kirkdale (1.4 miles), Sandhills (1.7m) and Bank Hall(1.8m). Obviously they are better served by buses, but surely this just highlights that trains needn't be the only solution? Granted, they should be the ideal solution, but that's not to say a quick cheap fix of just having more buses can't make a difference.

FWIW, I'm firmly of the belief that the rail solution needs to be invested in. I've heard the talk of a station at Vauxhall and that would be great. There is one other potential solution though, and that would be to have a second platform at Sandhills, just to the north. one platfform for Southbound and one for northbound

Yes mate, I put this on here a while back. I never even realised at that point that here used to be a second platform in just the spot I was proposing, so much of the foundational work will already be completed.


Post in thread 'Sandhills station' https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/sandhills-station.121283/post-12018062

 

[John from Bootle]

They have settled patterns of access and egress to that stadium built up over decades and decades and decades and they have that from all points - east, west, south and north. .

Their situation is incomparable to what Everton face at the docks.

I get what you're saying, but we'll develop our own patterns in time. Contrary to popular belief, people can actually approach our stadium from the north, south and east.

Look, I'm with you. At the very least they should have ensured that the platform at Sandhills could hold more people. The rail infrastructure needs improving for sure, but it's safe to say any rail solutions aren't gonna be on time, but it shouldn't mean the situation can't be improved upon before or if they're actually delivered. The solutions in the meanwhile are what's important now.

 

[John from Bootle]

Yes mate, I put this on here a while back. I never even realised at that point that here used to be a second platform in just the spot I was proposing, so much of the foundational work will already be completed.


Post in thread 'Sandhills station' https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/sandhills-station.121283/post-12018062

I didn't know that. It seems to me an obvious solution though a forward thinking city would probably do something like that and build the Vauxhall station. las, we'll probably be lucky to see work start on either this side of 2030.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Disgraceful.

A mixture of blaming Everton and denial.

Disabled people are best "going into town and jumping the bus".

What a divvy.

Nothing has been done by this feller since the first test event. All he's done is try to hone his excuses and deflect better.

We'd have never built this stadium if he'd have been in situ at the start of the project....he'd have but the blockers on it.

Absolutely convinced of it.

The push back from him even now is amazing.

 

[davek]

I get what you're saying, but we'll develop our own patterns in time. Contrary to popular belief, people can actually approach our stadium from the north, south and east.

Look, I'm with you. At the very least they should have ensured that the platform at Sandhills could hold more people. The rail infrastructure needs improving for sure, but it's safe to say any rail solutions aren't gonna be on time, but it shouldn't mean the situation can't be improved upon before or if they're actually delivered. The solutions in the meanwhile are what's important now.

Partially from the north and south and not from the west, obviously.

It'll get sorted eventually over time. But the length of that accommodation with a new stadium could and should have been drastically reduced. For a football club to commit so heavily to a city's regeneration plans and get f.a. from them other than a green light to build is a scandal of mammoth proportions.

The local state have been guilty of allowing an organisational disaster to unfold here. They haven't heard the end of this: Rotheram, Robinson and the rest of the half wits who've left almost 60,000 people open to danger every other week for the next few years. They know it too, hence Rotheram's deflections. He knows it's guaranteed something will go badly wrong. And it'll be criminal negligence on the part of the local state.

 

[davek]

We'd have never built this stadium if he'd have been in situ at the start of the project....he'd have but the blockers on it.

Absolutely convinced of it.

The push back from him even now is amazing.

Yes. And not for logistical reasons either.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Yes. And not for logistical reasons either.

He would have painted it as logistical issues but we both why he'd have mothballed it.

 

[davek]

I'm afraid Everton v Roma is going to be an utter show.

55,000 plus people milling about down there with a load of pinch points and the added danger of Roma ultras knocking about will severely test that environment and find it lacking.

 

[Blue Parkender]

Another quick qs.... I expect you can transfer an adults ST to a child member for games right.... just not the other way around?

I hope so as it's my plan to transfer my S/T to my grandson match day as I have a ticket for The Trinity Bar.