Transfer Rumour Jack Grealish

[Kevsleftpeg]

Fair enough, however, he would not be replacing Ndiaye. It is more realistic to say he would be replacing Harrison or Doucoure. So, if he scores 8/9 and gets a few assists, generally keeps the ball better than those players then we have improved.

Yes, players can be improve us straight away and then fade, some players can start slowly and build into a team. I am not sure comparing and contrasting previous dealings is relevant. Every target we have this summer will an aspect of their style, where they come from, their age and be comparable to at least one previous signing who failed.

If a player can improve us then we should consider them. Some will be more short term and some will be long term.

But if signing him means we don’t have wages to buy a better striker or replace the 5/6 other players who are leaving then we haven’t improved we have gone backwards. It’s just not worth the risk for a player who has never been exceptional. If it was a Kanchelskis type then it might be worth the risk. But he isn’t that player and never has been.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Yes, affordability matters, just not to me.

I have spoken about it before but I have (want to) regress back into supporting a football club not a business. I am enjoying watching football like a kid. If I was a kid, I would not care what he was getting paid, what we paid for a player. It would not, for one moment, enter into my head. All I would be thinking about is watching that player play.

As I am in my 40's it is hard not to be 'mature' about discussing viable players for the club but for me, that would only more be in the fact that I may have more experience in judging tactical play and how a player will fit into the system, or thinking about injury records.

Finances just don't interest me. So, I can easily only discuss the football side, because of that lack of interest and having literally having no knowledge on whether it would be better if he was on x amount rather than y amount.

Ok, put it like this. Next season would you sooner watch Grealish and the current 13 player we have plus 4/5 bargain basement Linstrom, Harrison type loans. Or the current 13 with 6 young hungry signing with lots of potential?

 

[mikel_88]

Yes, affordability matters, just not to me.

I have spoken about it before but I have (want to) regress back into supporting a football club not a business. I am enjoying watching football like a kid. If I was a kid, I would not care what he was getting paid, what we paid for a player. It would not, for one moment, enter into my head. All I would be thinking about is watching that player play.

As I am in my 40's it is hard not to be 'mature' about discussing viable players for the club but for me, that would only more be in the fact that I may have more experience in judging tactical play and how a player will fit into the system, or thinking about injury records.

Finances just don't interest me. So, I can easily only discuss the football side, because of that lack of interest and having literally having no knowledge on whether it would be better if he was on x amount rather than y amount.

Get what you mean that we shouldnt be thinking that way, but esp how the club was run we have had to. Think this fanbase has more fans looking into the finaces of the club more than anyother fanbase. Yhe money side for me in these deals is more about what we would be able to do say did get a grealish in would that stop say another two or three players coming in.

 

[Paul Rideout]

Shoehorn FC needs to stop. He plays the same position as NDaiye, his motivation comes into question, as does his wages & the follow on to how this constraints other players coming in - plus he’s overly fond of the ale so I’ve been told. Even if city paid 50% of his wage he’d be our top earner which could create disharmony.

We need a RF/RW/RM & RB, possibly a CF & a CM…

We have LF/LW/LM covered for starter & depth.

 

[Davideeyore]

At the end of the day if Moyes says he wants him and the club does a deal then I'm behind it.

Would like us to make several quality signings including forwards, to catapult us in to the new season meaning business.

If Moyes wants him.

 

[st.domingo]

I think it’s a dangerous deal for us. We’ve spent years trying to recover from excessive purchases buying a fair few players at the tail end of their career.

If you said he would take £150,000 a week he’d probably want a 3 year deal. Plus any sign on fee and transfer fee. That alone is almost £23.5 million just in wages with likely absolutely no resale value. You’re banking on him being fit for the majority of that time.

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Now that isn’t the worst injury record I’ve ever seen but it’s worrying that it’s a lot of groin and calf injuries in the last few years. I’m not a professional athlete but from a person with legs similar to Grealish I’m telling you once they start to go they don’t come back. Last year his record wasn’t that bad but missing 15 games a year in the previous 2 seasons for somebody you’re probably going to build a team around is not a good idea.

I’m not doubting his quality overall I think there’s far smarter ways to invest that money in the squad. I don’t think there’s anything wrong in having older players in your team but having them as your talisman is not a prudent investment.

Look again - there’s a gap there - so actually he didn’t miss any games for two whole seasons then?

ok, which one of you on here is he??

 

[Bwana]

Does anyone have a recent phone number for Ronaldo?

Either Ronaldo is fine. We can find space.

And it would be great if we could squeeze in between them that little Ronaldo too.

 

[BenToffee79]

Never known a fanbase so desperate to be negative , whoever Moyes brings in gets my backing and after having to watch Jack Harrison the last two seasons I welcome Grealish with open arms if he joins

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

Never known a fanbase so desperate to be negative , whoever Moyes brings in gets my backing and after having to watch Jack Harrison the last two seasons I welcome Grealish with open arms if he joins

More often than not, Moyes signed the right characters, especially when picking up good players that had fallen by the wayside. For me that's the big thing that has been lacking from our recruitment over the last decade. We've stumbled on a Richarlison occasionally but we've had some absolute howlers in there too like Sniderlin and Ashley Williams to name a few.
You can have all the players stats, all the xG, but actually knowing the person and how he lives, thinks - how he interacts with his team mates.. That's what Moyes always did well. He;s done it with Beto who i was ready to completely write off earlier in the season, but what the kid lacks in talent - and by that I mean top level Premierleague footballing ability - he more than makes up in work ethic and determination. I do not believe for one second had Dyche simply played Beto more he'd have gotten the same response. Moyes will have seen the kid in training, spoken to him, to other players and gone "yeah, that lad wants to work hard, that lad wants to play - i can work with him'".
I have no idea if Grealish is the right fit for our club, the debate is probably redundant due to wages etc but if the manager wants him I would 100% be behind the move.

 

[Lanolin]

Get what you mean that we shouldnt be thinking that way, but esp how the club was run we have had to. Think this fanbase has more fans looking into the finaces of the club more than anyother fanbase. Yhe money side for me in these deals is more about what we would be able to do say did get a grealish in would that stop say another two or three players coming in.

I think aswell as that though, while the idea of trying to work out the PSR implications of deals and all that might be a new concept as a football fan, the idea of judging whether a player is good value or not isn't. There's never been a period in my 30 odd years as a fan where you wouldn't be discussing whether a player was good value for what was being paid - in fact one of my first memories of going to watch Everton was being crushed to hear my dad and his mates talking about Tony Cottee being a waste of money when I was telling everyone in school that he was the best player in the world.

 

[pfim]

Yes, affordability matters, just not to me.

I have spoken about it before but I have (want to) regress back into supporting a football club not a business. I am enjoying watching football like a kid. If I was a kid, I would not care what he was getting paid, what we paid for a player. It would not, for one moment, enter into my head. All I would be thinking about is watching that player play.

As I am in my 40's it is hard not to be 'mature' about discussing viable players for the club but for me, that would only more be in the fact that I may have more experience in judging tactical play and how a player will fit into the system, or thinking about injury records.

Finances just don't interest me. So, I can easily only discuss the football side, because of that lack of interest and having literally having no knowledge on whether it would be better if he was on x amount rather than y amount.

I doubt Villa wanted to sell Moussa Diaby but needed to in order to make the numbers work.

Newcastle didn't want to sell Minteh, but needed to in order to make the numbers work.

None of this is going away, it's just the new reality.

 

[bluerobert]

People pay way too much attention to those injury lists.

Here's jarrad branthwaite's:

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It’s a really good point, all I’m saying is at 30 his body isn’t going to recover from injuries the way Branthwaites will in his early 20’s. It is worrying that all 3 of Branthwaites injuries in 24/25 have all been groin related

 

[kenada_blue]

Don't even think we'll be anywhere near the clubs wanting him.

 

[anton66]

Don't even think we'll be anywhere near the clubs wanting him.

Unfortunately it’s what we do. Start showing an interest and then the serious bidders come in. It’ll be loans again for us this season and probably done just before the window closes.

 

[pfim]

Don't even think we'll be anywhere near the clubs wanting him.

Don't think we'll be one of the clubs wanting him. Seems like a lazy rumor, when has Moyes ever recruited a player like this? I'm not saying he never has, just doesn't seem to fit the profile.