New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

davek said:
The reason you have a planning application is to give the LA an idea if the plan is workable or not, it's not to make plain what they are and aren't willing to do to make it a success for the applicant.

The PA on transport was not workable. They knew it at the time and their priority as a LA is to make the right decisions on a whole host of issues, including the effect it'd have on the locality and the match-going fans.

That they passed it was a purely political act which ticked boxes for them on regeneration.

I'm not sure what I can say to you if you dont accept that LAs are there as the final arbiter of what goes ahead in a locality and therefore take full responsibility for the results of accepting a PA.
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Not necessarily the final arbiter.... as it can be called in if an other authority or agency makes a protest.

The bottom line is, they have a fall-back. Walking to and from town and/or limiting capacity if necessary........ and simply saying that the club didn't achieve the required modal shift that their consultation process and plan said was viable.

No skin off their noses.
 

Tom Hughes said:
Not necessarily the final arbiter.... as it can be called in if an other authority or agency makes a protest.

The bottom line is, they have a fall-back. Walking to and from town and/or limiting capacity if necessary........ and simply saying that the club didn't achieve the required modal shift that their consultation process and plan said was viable.

No skin off their noses.
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What a fall back position: punish the fans and/or punish the club if the chaos they gave the green light to ensues.

I find your defence of the indefensible pretty peculiar. KMBC wouldn't have been spared your wrath, that's for sure.
 
davek said:
What a fall back position: punish the fans and/or punish the club if the chaos they gave the green light to ensues.

I find your defence of the indefensible pretty peculiar. KMBC wouldn't have been spared your wrath, that's for sure.
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The green light was based entirely on agreed funding. The council have no responsibilities as regards consulting the club's fans as regards modal shift etc.

The kirkby stadium wasn't funded by anyone, wasn't a particularly great design and its transport plan had no walking fall-back option whatsoever..... hence the capacity capping clauses.
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One of the main worries I have with segregation of home and away fans outside ground. There was a huge police presence to escort RS across park, even then objects and smoke bombs were thrown. Past trouble has been averted by fans, avoiding each other. Orcs drink around Klanfield, we drink around GP, now you're going to have huge numbers of Blues and Orcs in city centre and how are they going to escort RS to Bramley Moore.
 

Tom Hughes said:
The green light was based entirely on agreed funding. The council have no responsibilities as regards consulting the club's fans as regards modal shift etc.

The kirkby stadium wasn't funded by anyone, wasn't a particularly great design and its transport plan had no walking fall-back option whatsoever..... hence the capacity capping clauses.
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You're claiming something which hasn't been demonstrated yet. Far from it, in fact.
 
davek said:
I'm sure it is for you. But there are many who wont be able to get that distance for one reason or another.

Still, devil take the hindmost I suppose...
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Many will and can though, that's the point. Another viable option is walking up to where Scotland Rd meets Stanley Rd which is just shy of a mile (it's 1 mile to the McDonald's over the way.) There's an absolute multitude of buses that operate through there; many of which have served Goodison. I also have a gut feeling that some people who would prefer to get the train to and from Sandhills will end up swerving it if they don't fancy it and just walking up to Stanley Rd for a bus.

I'm not entirely up to date on what bus operations are gonna be in place, I've always maintained that one of the solutions would be to tweak existing services or add an extra service that heads in to town (and back) via Great Howard Street. I do know that there was some plans for shuttle services from Bootle and Town, but no real idea of what the plans are at the moment nor if my prediction of services being tweaked to take in that route is a consideration. It just seems a no-brainer to me, the infrastucture is there already, it doesn't get used by the major operators (though it has been at times in the fairly recent past) and as Liverpool Waters and Ten Streets take off it's surely not gonna be viable for it not be serviced by buses?

Anyway, if anybody has gotten thus far in to what is clearly an enthralling topic of debate :hayee: could you kindly let me know what the plans are as we speak in terms of buses etc? Like I say, I've not really kept up to date.
 


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