New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Tom Hughes]

Because the Transport Plan is unrealistic. If you start off using their numbers you can maybe make a case, but if you reject them as ridiculous given the proportion of people who'll need public transport and the far greater matchday restrictions at BMD, these gliders wont touch the sides of the problem.

The modsl split at GP was:
16,000 public transport/walking
23,000 car

...so to expect at BMD that to be flipped...and then some...at a location with obvious geographical limitations to advance to it from and where restrictions will be appalled on public transport and all other forms of transport is mad as a box of frogs.

The truth is that this should never have got past the planning stage...and if it did then it had to have huge amounts of public cash to throw at it. Once the CWG went west that was chaos baked into this 'plan.

Ive said to you before that all roads lead to the local state for the transport calamity, and that will never stop being right.

And I've said to you before that the funding is agreed at the planning negotiation stage. If the Council says it has no funds and will not receive any based on the cost benefit analysis (that all such requests are primarily based on)..... then that's the end of that. Which is why other football clubs have had to largely fund the infrastructure or any mitigations (subsidised buses etc) themselves. There is no stipulation that the local council is obliged to at all....

The obvious motivation is that any geographical limitations are supposed to be more than balanced by proximity to the northern line and the city centre. If they effectively bridge that gap, they have easy access to the largest public transport capacity in the city region, that serves all districts. That's what this is about!

 

[Tom Hughes]

They did get £20m towards infrastructure improvements (though wasnt under Rotheram if that was his point), but I agree with all else you've said there. Everything can always be better, but you have to start somewhere.

Tbh, I meant major infrastructure investments like trams or opening up the loop line for a station near Anfield etc. We have also received infrastructure funding, but can't remember the exact figures off the top of my head.

 

[Moomin]

And I've said to you before that the funding is agreed at the planning negotiation stage. If the Council says it has no funds and will not receive any based on the cost benefit analysis (that all such requests are primarily based on)..... then that's the end of that. Which is why other football clubs have had to largely fund the infrastructure or any mitigations (subsidised buses etc) themselves. There is no stipulation that the local council is obliged to at all....

The obvious motivation is that any geographical limitations are supposed to be more than balanced by proximity to the northern line and the city centre. If they effectively bridge that gap, they have easy access to the largest public transport capacity in the city region, that serves all districts. That's what this is about!

To be fair to LCC they have bent over backwards many times for us in the past from the Kings Dock stadium to buying Finch Farm and leasing it back to us on favourable terms.

 

[davek]

And I've said to you before that the funding is agreed at the planning negotiation stage. If the Council says it has no funds and will not receive any based on the cost benefit analysis (that all such requests are primarily based on)..... then that's the end of that. Which is why other football clubs have had to largely fund the infrastructure or any mitigations (subsidised buses etc) themselves. There is no stipulation that the local council is obliged to at all....

The obvious motivation is that any geographical limitations are supposed to be more than balanced by proximity to the northern line and the city centre. If they effectively bridge that gap, they have easy access to the largest public transport capacity in the city region, that serves all districts. That's what this is about!

The reason you have a planning application is to give the LA an idea if the plan is workable or not, it's not to make plain what they are and aren't willing to do to make it a success for the applicant.

The PA on transport was not workable. They knew it at the time and their priority as a LA is to make the right decisions on a whole host of issues, including the effect it'd have on the locality and the match-going fans.

That they passed it was a purely political act which ticked boxes for them on regeneration.

I'm not sure what I can say to you if you dont accept that LAs are there as the final arbiter of what goes ahead in a locality and therefore take full responsibility for the results of accepting a PA.

 

[Gallaeo]

You would hope that this sort of thing is what Colin Chong is going to be all over as part of his remit, we need to control the area around the stadium as much as possible. Creating extra revenue streams will be vital to our growth. Really hope we can get some sort of indoor venue for concerts etc.

Would we not be aiming to have concerts in the actual stadium?

Thought I saw something about hosting smaller ones outside the stadium but within the footprint as well?

 

[Rich1878]

Would we not be aiming to have concerts in the actual stadium?

Thought I saw something about hosting smaller ones outside the stadium but within the footprint as well?

Be good to have something for all year round

 

[Noggsy blue]

Posted on Bluesky

 

[Noggsy blue]

Posted on Bluesky

Looks like the lounges are on schedule to be completed

 

[nsno_traditionally]

Would we not be aiming to have concerts in the actual stadium?

Thought I saw something about hosting smaller ones outside the stadium but within the footprint as well?

Yes, you're right, larger concerts within the stadium but I think there's a limit on how many per year. An indoor arena that could be used throughout the year would be ideal too I think, the more avenues for making money the better as far as I can see

 

[BullensRoad]

Big difference between a snack and 3 course sit down meal. I think the closest equivalent restaurant offering at BMD must have been closer to 3k at a guess (of course including match ticket).

Wouldn't say the unlimited food was a snack but each to their own

 

[Cjplennon]

Wouldn't say the unlimited food was a snack but each to their own

I'm pretty sure the village offering was not unlimited food. LOL.

 

[West Side Charlie]

Posted on Bluesky

9th of August, the season starts on 16th
Seems close although I won't wet the bed just yet.
Do they need this 3rd test event for the safety certificate, I'm not sure, I thought I read somewhere that they don't.
But surely the safety people would insist on it.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

I think they've overestimated the amount of people interested in spending big to sit and eat in a shipping container on the edge of a derelict dock.

Say what you will about the Brexit tent across the road, but at least it's not pretending to be something it's not.

Sorry to be a dope, is is hospitality for those in normal areas with tickets? Or is it just modelling itself as a Restaurant/Bar outside ground?

 

[allen]

Sorry to be a dope, is is hospitality for those in normal areas with tickets? Or is it just modelling itself as a Restaurant/Bar outside ground?

It's a non-Everton venture, so presumably open to anyone at all.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

It's a non-Everton venture, so presumably open to anyone at all.

If it doesn't include match ticket I'm not sure too many fans will be interested in it. I thought it was similar to clubs previous relationship with Hilton Hotel. I've heard some people I know saying you'll need a season ticket to get into some places off Bramley Moore site. I think a lot of fans will still drink around GP, hopefully these pubs last summer and stay open.