New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

OneTrueLegend said:
It says "3 routes" not 3 gliders. some of that money will be for the gliders themselves, but some of it is in the infrastructure, ticketing etc. In Belfast they spent £94.5 million when they introduced the gliders and it broke down like this;

A. Glider vehicles £24m
B. Glider halts £6.2m
C. Glider real time information £1.3m
D. Glider off-vehicle ticketing £7.4m
E. Other (Infrastructure) £55.6m

source : https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/glider_costs


If they do a route where people can get it on a match day from the liverpool one bus station, along the dock road to the stadium I can see it being well used
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It'll be well used, it's just not enough. And even that will take into the 2030s to bear fruit.

The local authorities had enough time to service this stadium and wasted it because we aren't their priority.

It's as simple as that. Others will rattle on about cost-benefit of public cash for a 'mere' privately owned football club, but the two football club's in this city are the biggest things about it and priority should have been handed to it even over and above other parts of the transport system in the city region.
 

davek said:
It'll be well used, it's just not enough. And even that will take into the 2030s to bear fruit.

The local authorities had enough time to service this stadium and wasted it because we aren't their priority.

It's as simple as that. Others will rattle on about cost-benefit of public cash for a 'mere' privately owned football club, but the two football club's in this city are the biggest things about it and priority should have been handed to it even over and above other parts of the transport system in the city region.
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Why is it not enough? What is the capacity of these as a shuttle service? The transport plan asks for about 32k fans to arrive via public transport/walking. If the trains take up to 18k fans, these take a further 10k+ to and from the city centre and other buses say a further 5k+. Then it won't be far off what they've modelled for the site. Of course it could be better.... but it is all about money.

Not that many major public transport schemes outside London have received funding in the last few years. Many cities and towns have been screaming for funding for years. In that time Liverpool has received funding for a whole new fleet of trains and some new infrastructure projects.... that were already planned. LFC have also not had any major infrastructure funding during their expansions.... so the favouritism claims fall flat on their face on that score too.

You can deride the Cost-Benefit analysis process all you want.... but that is how funding decisions are made and Football stadiums are notoriously poor in this regard.
 
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Tom Hughes said:
Why is it not enough? What is the capacity of these as a shuttle service? The transport plan asks for about 32k fans to arrive via public transport/walking. If the trains take up to 18k fans, these take a further 10k+ to and from the city centre and other buses say a further 5k+. Then it won't be far off what they've modelled for the site. Of course it could be better.... but it is all about money.

Not that many major public transport schemes outside London have received funding in the last few years. Many cities and towns have been screaming for funding for years. In that time Liverpool has received funding for a whole new fleet of trains and some new infrastructure projects.... that were already planned. LFC have also not had any major infrastructure funding during their expansions.... so the favouritism claims fall flat on their face on that score too.

You can deride the Cost-Benefit analysis process all you want.... but that is how funding decisions are made and Football stadiums are notoriously poor in this regard.
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Because the Transport Plan is unrealistic. If you start off using their numbers you can maybe make a case, but if you reject them as ridiculous given the proportion of people who'll need public transport and the far greater matchday restrictions at BMD, these gliders wont touch the sides of the problem.

The modsl split at GP was:
16,000 public transport/walking
23,000 car

...so to expect at BMD that to be flipped...and then some...at a location with obvious geographical limitations to advance to it from and where restrictions will be appalled on public transport and all other forms of transport is mad as a box of frogs.

The truth is that this should never have got past the planning stage...and if it did then it had to have huge amounts of public cash to throw at it. Once the CWG went west that was chaos baked into this 'plan.

Ive said to you before that all roads lead to the local state for the transport calamity, and that will never stop being right.
 
davek said:
It'll be well used, it's just not enough. And even that will take into the 2030s to bear fruit.

The local authorities had enough time to service this stadium and wasted it because we aren't their priority.

It's as simple as that. Others will rattle on about cost-benefit of public cash for a 'mere' privately owned football club, but the two football club's in this city are the biggest things about it and priority should have been handed to it even over and above other parts of the transport system in the city region.
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You can bet your life if this was that lot across the park moving to BMD commander Steve would have moved heaven and earth, and then some, to get transport sorted.
 

Tom Hughes said:
Why is it not enough? What is the capacity of these as a shuttle service? The transport plan asks for about 32k fans to arrive via public transport/walking. If the trains take up to 18k fans, these take a further 10k+ to and from the city centre and other buses say a further 5k+. Then it won't be far off what they've modelled for the site. Of course it could be better.... but it is all about money.

Not that many major public transport schemes outside London have received funding in the last few years. Many cities and towns have been screaming for funding for years. In that time Liverpool has received funding for a whole new fleet of trains and some new infrastructure projects.... that were already planned. LFC have also not had any major infrastructure funding during their expansions.... so the favouritism claims fall flat on their face on that score too.

You can deride the Cost-Benefit analysis process all you want.... but that is how funding decisions are made and Football stadiums are notoriously poor in this regard.
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They did get £20m towards infrastructure improvements (though wasnt under Rotheram if that was his point), but I agree with all else you've said there. Everything can always be better, but you have to start somewhere.
 

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