This is reason I think he'll be retained.
He's always seems to by hook or crook manage to hang round the club ha.
He's always seems to by hook or crook manage to hang round the club ha.
I think this is the key point. I'm more than ready for him to go, but it does feel like people are missing some pretty basic stuff about what will happen if he does. With Moyes always having liked to have experienced heads around, and Branthwaite and O'Brien potentially boxing off the centre half positions in the long term, the chances are any replacement for Keane is just going to be another version of him, not somebody who is actually any better. Not resigning some of the out of contract players is great, but not resigning any of them leaves us with an awful lot to do and means the money we have is going to be stretched a lot further than is ideal. Not saying it has to be Keane but we're going to have to keep hold of at least a couple of these lads and we're running out of possibilities.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £20m
Yeah. For what it's worth, here's my opinion on the matter: If the manager wants to keep him around as a back up, fine. If he doesn't? Fine. The priority is finding at least 3 first choice players, not replacing back up options.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
We’re just repeating the same arguments with Keane I’ve heard a 100 times before. ‘He’ll be fine as a backup’. When will people learn that he won’t be a backup, the first teamers will get injured and he’ll be in the first team…costing us points…costing managers their job.
NathDogg
Player Valuation: £50m
Spot on, let him go and sign a young cb as back up.
Evertonthat
Player Valuation: £10m
I'd agree with this. Standards need to be raised and keeping players that have proven their limitations isn't the right way to do that. For his own sake, I hope he goes and becomes a starter somewhere else, rather than sitting on our bench. It would also give us the opportunity to sign another young prospect in the mould of Branthwaite and O'Brien.
But the flipside of that is there's a decent chance that anyone who's willing to come here to be back up is going to be exactly the same - that's point in a nutshell. If Keane goes and we replace him a £20m highly rated prospect who for some reason is willing to come here and not be first choice, and that doesn't adversely affect what we can do in positions where we need actual starters, then brilliant. If Keane goes and we're looking at replacing him with Craig Dawson, Johnny Evans, Willy Boly or the like then we're not actually any better off, they're just Keane with a different name.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £20m
Is there an argument to say that that's just where we are now though? Do we really need to consider that perhaps there's just gonna be too many holes to fill if we let everybody who is out of contract leave? It's okay to say 'he's earning x amount a week' so just replace him using that money, but every transfer takes up, firstly, time, then it costs legal and agents fees, then there might be a transfer fee. A transfer fee spent on replacing a player leaving for nothing, so therefore having a negative impact on PSR, and it's not like that's the only 'hit' we'd have to take. Then you've got to hope players settle, don't have fitness issues, and most importantly, are actually any good, which is a huge concern because I don't think we'll be throwing much cash in the way of Keane's replacement.
My view on the matter is that if our 4th choice centre back needs to start more than a handful of games next season, then we're in trouble regardless if it's Keane or A.N. Other.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Every player in the squad needs to be capable of playing premier league football. Keane isn’t to the level we need to improve.
other bottom half teams have decent options sitting on their bench. There’s absolutely no reason we can’t get a player in and task them with competing with Branthwaite OBrien Tarkwoski knowing that Branthwaite could be off soon, Tarkwoski will slow down in the nearish future as a starter, and OBrien might play right back.
The first line I agree with, the second i'm not sure. Plenty of teams have players of Keane's level on the bench, we just don't care about them so don't notice it as much. As I've said numerous times, in an ideal world we wouldn't even be having this conversation and Keane leaving would be a given. The only point being made is that this very much isn't an ideal world, it's a world where we currently have 13 (THIRTEEN) first team players contracted for next season, and that's including 3 players (Armstrong, Iroegbunam and Chermiti) with a grand total of 8 PL starts between them, and Patterson who appears to be our current 4th choice right back behind a 9ft 7 centre half and 2 blokes old enough to be his dad. Just refusing to entertain the idea that maybe we might have to make some compromises and keep people we'd rather were leaving seems a bit daft when you look at it like that I think.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
Like black mold
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
I’d just like us to have to keep a different player than him. Purely from my own subjective dislike of him.
Sam0697
Player Valuation: £500k
I agree with this. It isn't perfect, but there's so much turnover in the squad already. Ideally Keane would be out of the door, but with us needing to buy half a squad this summer it is an easy box to tick off Keane as 4th choice CB.
I agree with you, and I said similar earlier, but we're running out of options. Doucoure was one where I thought we might be able to do a deal and him just move down the pecking order but it hasn't happened, Young and the keepers have gone, the stuff this week makes DCL seem unlikely, Coleman's got to the point where even if he stayed on as a player he almost doesn't count anyway. If Gana decides he's got a better offer elsewhere we're in all sorts of trouble to be honest. I'm genuinely not advocating keeping Keane myself, just acknowledging that realistically it may well be a needs must situation.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
There's no argument that holds water for keeping a bad player. He has cost us points over and over again. That's not an opinion, it's demonstrable fact. He's on enormous wages and needs to go. I understand the point that a new player will cost money but Keane currently costs us £4m a year in wages and would command a signing fee. He's not cheap by any metric. I would try and buy a young promising centre half from down the pyramid. They would command a decent fee, probably, but would be on low wages comparatively meaning the overall package would be similar to retaining Keane. It's absolutely a risk, they may turn out to be as bad as Keane but we know for certain that Keane is as bad as Keane. That's why re-signing him would be madness.
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