Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £100m
wigan is 12 years ago.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
Who's demanding anything?
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
So we shouldn't try and win a cup because we'll be relegated? Let's just tread water forever then and hope we occasionally get to play in a minor European competition. What are your short term and long term goals? I'm being serious, I really need to understand the other side of this.
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £100m
We didn't fall overnight.
It is unrealistic to expect us to rise from the gutter in the same 'over night'.
There's this man, rupert murdoch, he invented modern pay per view football, the market was there, facilitated by his pals under thatchers wing. He wanted to own the broadcaster and the product - man utd - and he was stopped under the monopolies and mergers act.
Once one malevolent force was using economics (money) to control the game, the others woke up, the gangster that used to own chelsea for instance, or the oil families that torture and kill journalists amongst many others.
You know who I look back upon? With reverence and romance? The Lisbon Lions. Gimme local lads, and a vision to succeed and it's roy of the rovers stuff. Pure theatre.
Now we're trapped, hoping for a miracle where finance, a wonder manager, some local talent, and the rest of the league having a season off all come together for us to triumph.
No one wants hard graft, work done and improvement made. Success is all, and everything else is losers.
To much 'phenomenal', and 'I didn't get a chance', and 'I wanted more players'. Only when you have mastered the science can you set up a school.
We're lucky to be starting again, with higher ticket prices, and access to bathrooms and the bar in the same half time whilst still in the top league.
We maximise what we have and where we are and evolve again. I don't want us a plastic fan, season ticket share, city outsider visitor premium paying, fan experience.
Give me stability, give me a chance at getting ALL recruitment right, give me a decent man doing his best, not gambling with money that isn't his, and then coming out successful, where it's been earned, engineered, managed. He lost Yakubu, Arteta and Jagielka for that final, and the bellends and ballbags harass him for it.
The punchdrunkeness inflicted by relegation scraps have allowed so many to lose the plot, hard work pays off. Time to buy in and see how far we can get.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
I don't know how many times I have to say this in response to your replies to my posts but I have no expectations about instant success. I accept that we are very unlikely to win a trophy in the near future. My point is that giving up even trying to win a cup just so that we can do marginally better in the league is utterly pointless. I don't even think it is a logical strategy. Has going out of a cup early ever actually resulted in us doing better in the league? I'm struggling to think of a time.
As for the rest of your post it seems like a lot of bellyaching and reminiscing and not a lot of exposition on what your expectations are, both short term or long term. You don't like my aims, fair enough, what are yours?
Cries for stability aren't an aim, they're treading water.
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £100m
that's because it's conjective?
Who's to say this seasons cup exits didn't help our league form?
I've been very clear my aims, stable improvement. Moyes didn't sign Pienaar for Everton straight away, he signed Kilbane first.
We have to be honest with ourselves about the rebuild task.
Sell corporate that allows us to punch our weight against a clique of clubs that are beyond corporate finance now, our peers are all blood money washers.
This is football. The PL has consumed everything except the Spanish legacy state. They're next.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
Your approach won't work. For all the reasons you yourself have laid out. It will only lead to mid-table "stability" (a loathesome word in football, it may as well be a synonym for "also-ran"). Spurs, a London club, with a new stadium far better equipped to maximise the type of corporate revenue you are suggesting is the key to unlocking our potential, hit a ceiling and are one final loss away from serious decline. I hope they win the Europa league because it will seriously harm Manchester United, one of the clubs the system is rigged for.
The PL, UEFA and FIFA will consume themselves before too long. Young people in the traditional European heartlands of football consumerism are turning their backs on footy, they can't afford it and they're bored with the same teams winning everything every year. It's why that bawbag at Real Madrid was so keen on a superleague. He either realises that that traditional market is shrinking and that the global market, predominantly in Asia, don't care about local rivalry and only want to see the uberclubs playing each other, or foolishly thinks that the average football fan can accommodate ever increasing ticket prices, tv subscription costs and merch prices. The football bubble will burst, sooner or later. With the current cost of living crisis and the state of the current global economy, I'm betting on sooner. There are very few new markets for something as ubiquitous as football.
We can't compete in the current climate, the stadium buys us breathing room, but it's not a panacea. We should try and win something while we still can.
As for this season's cup exits helping our league form, we were an absolute shambles after Southampton knocked us out of the league cup.
P.S. I'm not sure if you meant subjective or conjecture but it's both. From me and from you.
Igrok
Player Valuation: £20m
Sounds like life origin on Earth had better odds…
Big Sams Undies
Player Valuation: £20m
When asked about wanting to get a win on Sunday:
“We're going to be watched by great players, great managers possibly. People who are far better than any of us, who have graced it. So we've got to put a show on“
“We're going to be watched by great players, great managers possibly. People who are far better than any of us, who have graced it. So we've got to put a show on“
cjuk87
Player Valuation: £10m
Carlo bringing the Madrid teams of the past? Gravesen
W84 Dum Freeze
Player Valuation: £8m
13th - 17th from the presser, Tottenham 2-0 down at Villa after 80 mins, holding onto 17th if it stays like this we will finish above them.
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £40m
A bit of an awkward moment with the last question today.
Wasn’t happy with that at all was he
I think the questioner just got a bit flustered and spoke for a bit too long
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