Judge Moyes in January, though if Brentford have a good start and you have a poor, he might be in the running then although think Frank would go to a German team
Thomas Frank
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Well, his team has scored 62 goals this season.
It's likely they'll score more goals this season, than we ever have since the PL began.
That's been my interpretation of him - pragmatic and able to transition. Losing the likes of Toney, people thought they'd struggle this season but nope.
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
So would you swap him for Moyes in the summer?
I like him a lot but not sure if he has the same ceiling as Moyes.
Just to add, if we are going to get rid of Moyes i would want someone with a lot more winning pedigree than Thomas Frank
Always thought he would be a good option. Seems to have hit a bit of a ceiling but that might be more Brentford than him.
He's plop.
Well that's just it, we don't know his ceiling as we do Moyes.
My concern would be whether Brentford's a comfort blanket for him, ironically, I think he'd be Moyes pick if Moyes did go behind the scenes. Moyes has been really public in advocating him.
None of us will know whether he can progress beyond Brentford until he does it - be interesting to see if he's still there next season, especially if they get Europe.
Rita_Poon
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Same goes Mbuemo and Wissa.
If so, big money, and it's on them to reinvest it well. Just checked and he signed both and evidently done a tremendous job developing then.
Is he a symptom of a well run club with low expectations or is he dragging them up? Feels the latter to me.
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
Me too.
When he leaves Brentford they will become relegation fodder within 12 months.
What he has done is similar to Eddie Howe and he got a crack at a bigger club and he hasnt done too badly.
The rumoured chosen one.
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £100m
Or possibly a perfect storm? Took a few chances on players from abroad, settled them into a decent side, kept them happy and playing, improved the side overall, when a piece went missing, used the money wisely to buy two more pieces. Progressive improvement without the hollywood and hype. Stable club, established, he's been manager there since 2018 and was head coach to dean smith as manager for two years prior to that. A few runs at promotion and then into the PL via play off in 2021. 13th 9th and 16th since then. Has been given time and found a formula for playing that's won admirers of both himself and his staff. We've been here before though, up and coming manager with some fresh ideas and youth on his side, we eventually got a manager and two high profile players from Watford. (Silva, Doucoure and Richarlison).
Reckon Everton supporters have (checks watch) 9 years of patience for Frank to get settled and producing nice football? To compare and contrast, Moyes has had 5 months nearly and threads such as this and calls for him to go because he's ''dour davey!!'' are being treated not with the disdain they deserve.
How quickly as a support we forget the pressure and jeopardy we've become so used to at the tail end of how many seasons recently? We never learn our lesson, it's either 'all together now' let's drag the club over the line, or it's 'we're safe, meh, we should be challenging for it all, disgrace this, we're entitled to silverware and finals and success, must be the manager again!'.
In a month or so we've got some big bills coming, Dyche get's paid his bonus for us being a PL side still, and a ruck of contracts (with signing on bonuses) go to those quite a few don't want because we've no other choice. There's gonna be blue-hell played and it'll all be Moyes fault because we've not cut 16 players adrift and replaced each one with a £30million signing respectively. (£480m +)... "yeah but 'nil satis' innit!"...
They also had about 500000 injuries in that one season when they lost Toney too, as you said, and were okay as well.
Time will tell if he can function away from his "own" setup and into a new environment - he's basically made the entire club as he's wanted for a while - but I think he'd be good in a bigger team.
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
I'd rather get teeth pulled.
Think that only paints half the picture though?
Silva was a right man in the wrong time, as he's proven by taking a Fulham team to PL stability and has a go at the cups.
"Dour Davey" is because we know who and what Moyes is. Problem with his overly inflexible approach is that, while it's pragmatic, it's rarely adventurous and has barely won a pot in his several decade long career because of the knife to a gunfight mentality.
The whole point is that with Brentford he was quick to see what did and didn't work - hired as manager and changes the tactic to fit the players and get points, even if it didn't instantly work out; kept at it in the Championship and kept them as a consistent promotion "threat", until they got promoted; tried to play the same way as they did in the Championship but that lasted only a few games until he saw that it's just not going to work and changed it to be more direct and take advantage of set pieces, etc., took a full season before they started playing "better". The whole point of Moyes here and now is to provide that stable platform so that whoever comes next doesn't need 9 years.
Safe from the Beto thread I don't really think anyone expects us to "sell at a loss and just buy better players, simples". Everyone should know we're a bit handicapped anyway, as are most teams outside the SkY sIx, and selling everyone just to buy 15 new players isn't gonna be Moyes fault. What will be his fault is the re-signing of Doucoure and DCL, for example, or missing out on Charly, which are both things I expect people like Frank to not do really.
Shevin Keedy
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