a few of them are wingers tbf including Mbeumo
Beto has done well enough imo
Hard to know what Moyes' plan is for him yet
Beto has done well enough imo
Hard to know what Moyes' plan is for him yet
Odd thing to say, considering he played all but 6 games last season, most of them full 90+ terrorist football (2 were from the cheekbone injury) and was featuring up until recently and playing full 90s. The only big injuries were when he broke his toe(s?) and the current one.
A lot to criticise him for but I don't feel this one is right.
Anyway bizarre shout to sell Beto, who's doing quite well, and start the season with essentially no strikers. To hell with the plan for stability I guess
Odd thing to say, considering he played all but 6 games last season, most of them full 90+ terrorist football (2 were from the cheekbone injury) and was featuring up until recently and playing full 90s. The only big injuries were when he broke his toe(s?) and the current one.
A lot to criticise him for but I don't feel this one is right.
Anyway bizarre shout to sell Beto, who's doing quite well, and start the season with essentially no strikers. To hell with the plan for stability I guess
….i suppose he’s in the ‘sellable asset’ category in that we should be able to utilise what we get for him to bring in better.
How is he a sellable asset exactly?
And what is better? A striker we already have, scoring over 10 goals a season, or spending 30m we don't have on someone who might not hit the ground running too? 30 million (assuming we even get that for Beto) gets you Beto in the current economy, not world beaters. We did the exact same thing in the summer before we bought Beto by betting everything on DCL staying healthy, who got injured and we played wingers up top for 3 months.
Insanity.
….pretty much what I posted; a player we can sell and bring in better for similar monies.
It’s a big old world out there and there’ll be value for money top strikers available. Nobody is suggesting it’s easy but there is always value in the ‘current economy’.
It’s not ‘insanity’ to suggest highly paid recruiters can only bring in mediocrity we’ve been used to.
That's the point, you can't, or at least you're unlikely to.
30m gets you a Beto type of player. If he's called Beto or whatever else, he's still gonna be incredibly frustrating. Why sell Beto to get a different flavour of Beto, exactly?
The insanity is you yourself are seeing that 30m in the current market are 1 Beto-type of player, and are adamant that it'll somehow turn out better for the same money. That's a 1 in 500 chance at best - take 5 min to look up transfers from the last 3 years, sort by strikers, see who's performed how. Moyes himself spent 30m on Fullkrug, who's barely played and barely scored. Why would/should we do that? A like for like for 30 mil, brilliant plan mate.
That's not a sellable asset. Now add to it the fact we have literally no other striker - how does that keep him as a sellable asset currently?
Also, now "it's a big old world out there" and we should aim for better, but when I suggested there are better managers than Dyche in the same big old world out there and we should try for a better one it somehow wasn't true?
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
That's the point, you can't, or at least you're unlikely to.
30m gets you a Beto type of player. If he's called Beto or whatever else, he's still gonna be incredibly frustrating. Why sell Beto to get a different flavour of Beto, exactly?
The insanity is you yourself are seeing that 30m in the current market are 1 Beto-type of player, and are adamant that it'll somehow turn out better for the same money. That's a 1 in 500 chance at best - take 5 min to look up transfers from the last 3 years, sort by strikers, see who's performed how. Moyes himself spent 30m on Fullkrug, who's barely played and barely scored. Why would/should we do that? A like for like for 30 mil, brilliant plan mate.
That's not a sellable asset. Now add to it the fact we have literally no other striker - how does that keep him as a sellable asset currently?
Also, now "it's a big old world out there" and we should aim for better, but when I suggested there are better managers than Dyche in the same big old world out there and we should try for a better one it somehow wasn't true?
No he didn’t.
There’s clearly an argument that selling him is the better plan and refusing to see that is a bit strange. I’m not saying it’s an absolute no brainer and he needs to go, but it’s very much something that may make sense. The idea that we couldn’t possibly do any better than him is blatantly just nonsense.That's the point, you can't, or at least you're unlikely to.
30m gets you a Beto type of player. If he's called Beto or whatever else, he's still gonna be incredibly frustrating. Why sell Beto to get a different flavour of Beto, exactly?
The insanity is you yourself are seeing that 30m in the current market are 1 Beto-type of player, and are adamant that it'll somehow turn out better for the same money. That's a 1 in 500 chance at best - take 5 min to look up transfers from the last 3 years, sort by strikers, see who's performed how. Moyes himself spent 30m on Fullkrug, who's barely played and barely scored. Why would/should we do that? A like for like for 30 mil, brilliant plan mate.
That's not a sellable asset. Now add to it the fact we have literally no other striker - how does that keep him as a sellable asset currently?
Also, now "it's a big old world out there" and we should aim for better, but when I suggested there are better managers than Dyche in the same big old world out there and we should try for a better one it somehow wasn't true?
pfim
Player Valuation: £50m
Garner was wide open. All he had to do was make a 10 yard pass.
The CBs will split to play the ball out. If the striker can't make simple pass after three touches, he doesn't belong in the PL.
I'm just responding to you. He also had a first touch that went about 25 yards astray this past weekend.
Marcus Kendall
Player Valuation: £6m
Last saw a touch like that in Carlton Palmers day
Am I saying we can't do better possibly?
Tell me how it will go when we sell Beto and DCL doesn't sign a new contract? Up top: no one, backup: no one.
Beto is a great 2nd choice striker to put pressure on a 1st choice striker.
Yeah, my bad.
He did however spend ~40m on Scamacca for the same output of goals (in all tournaments, abysmal in the Prem). And we already have the same output here, used to the team and everything, and willing to work for it, as I said.
I’m pretty sure we’re allowed to sign other strikers
One thing about Beto he seems to be working on getting better on bits of his game, unless we got are money back on him I would keep him here.
The midfield isnt right for me lacks vision, need another ball winner in there as well .
They don't offer enough support for the Strikers.
In Beto"s case the number of times he shapes up for a through ball that never comes must be frustrating for him.
The midfield isnt right for me lacks vision, need another ball winner in there as well .
They don't offer enough support for the Strikers.
In Beto"s case the number of times he shapes up for a through ball that never comes must be frustrating for him.
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