New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[marnie]

I literally just scrolled through expecting to find a bit about him rambling on about how great Anfield is and how all clubs should be aspiring to build something like that monstrosity.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Who said that you did?

No need to be such a prat.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Rough areas aren't what they used to be, haha. I sometimes used to walk into to town from my old school, past the Radcliffe estate and then through the Piggeries. I doubt that there is anything remotely close in terms of roughness near County Rd or Spurs' ground. Just working class areas that look a bit tatty in parts tbh.

Location can certainly add to the whole matchday experience, and BMD will hopefully one day aspire to great things in that respect.... but the key element will always be the quality of the stadium itself. Similarly, I've never been overly drawn to stadium externals. In reality, they add little or nothing to the matchday experience, and tbh many of the greatest stadia in the world are plain to the point of austerity on the outside for that reason.

Internally, the side stands at NWHL are far superior to those at BMD. Corporate contained in their own dedicated tiers overlapping with 80 super suites also in their own tier. All over more levels. Our South Stand is much smaller than theirs, but I prefer the way ours turns the corners. If our South Stand is ever extended by 10 rows, as Binman showed previously, then that could really sway it. Of course for flexibility NWHL easily trumps BMD due to the moving pitch.

The old Cornish fishing village a

 

[BullensRoad]

Anyone been to the fare well goodison thing at Liverpool museum?

It's embarrassing. Out of all the historic photos they could have shown they put the pictures from the recent "I've got an slr so im now a professional photographer".

 

[GoldenToffee]

I'm a little surprised, but obviously delighted, that there isn't - or at least hasn't yet been announced - any kind of memorial or link to William 'Bill' Kenwright at the new ground. I figured he'd have had it in his contract of sale to Moshiri that any new stadium must contain a statue built or stand named in his honour.

 

[Bluesnapper]

I'm a little surprised, but obviously delighted, that there isn't - or at least hasn't yet been announced - any kind of memorial or link to William 'Bill' Kenwright at the new ground. I figured he'd have had it in his contract of sale to Moshiri that any new stadium must contain a statue built or stand named in his honour.

Don't tempt fate.

 

[Liam-EFC]

I'm a little surprised, but obviously delighted, that there isn't - or at least hasn't yet been announced - any kind of memorial or link to William 'Bill' Kenwright at the new ground. I figured he'd have had it in his contract of sale to Moshiri that any new stadium must contain a statue built or stand named in his honour.

He’s not worth of even a toilet cubicle being named after him.

 

[phil_t98]

 

[Blue Alert]

He’s not worth of even a toilet cubicle being named after him.

I might name the toilet itself after him.

 

[Tom Hughes]

This, one of the final paragraphs, shows a lack of any understanding as to what the PL has become. The most expensive tickets in the country aren't for the newest grounds. In some cases they are for the oldest.

Our GA tickets will still be lower than those at Liverpool for equivalent seats, and likely much much lower than those at Old Trafford.

Tbf, they're two slightly separate arguments. LFC's ticket prices are simply down to basic supply and demand. They could probably fill Anfield twice over with relatively well-healed out-of-towners alone. They have massive waiting lists of members prepared to pay what we pay for a season, just for one or two annual visits. The demand is that large, they can use it to squeeze their entire fanbase, regardless of the age of the stands.... however, their stadium investment and tight ROI policy means that their new stands have simply enabled that to be pushed even further. The fact remains that generally if a club is spending hundreds of millions on new stadia/stands, then ticket prices generally rise. Of course in some cases that would hopefully be somewhat offset by lucrative new corporate capacities helping to cross-subsidise the build and GA ticket prices..... or, as in Man City and West Ham's case, whole freeby stadiums.

The article provides a few links to other international articles and academic studies to back-up his basic (cynical) argument, to show that new stadia have often failed to live up to the rejuvenating economic hype that usually preceeds, or even prompts them. The reasons are multiple and quite obvious. The agglomerative effects of stadia are not a given, and usually quite limited. Otherwise the districts of Walton and Anfield would already have felt them. Of course you could argue that those districts have felt the benefits of Goodison and Anfield, in that they still have their local high streets pretty much intact, unlike many of their neighbouring districts, where those old high streets have nearly all long-since faded away.

What acts in BMD's favour is the proximity to the city centre and importantly the other major developments earmarked to fill that gap...... notionally bringing the city-centre, and hopefully its infrastructure, right up to BMD's doorstep.

 

[PeterGet]

Does it look any different to this?

I’m not an architect, but I imagine from certain angles Leach stadiums look the same. The fact is a football field surrounded by seats is always going to look similar..

The exterior of the ground is certainly unique and when the branding is added it’ll be even better.

We couldn’t stay at Anfield, we couldn’t stay at Goodison… BML is our new home and the club and the area will evolve together.

Man City, Brentford and others have made a success of a new stadium and I’m sure we will to

 

[Tom Hughes]

A counterpoint to that argument Tom might be how many of the greatest matchday atmospheres are generated by pretty basic internal designs/bowls. While the NWHL and NFL Stadiums are definitely more spectacular than ours, I don't know any that are famous for the atmosphere they create.

This is where I'm hoping Dan Meis has got it right. BMD will hopefully become known as a bear-pit in terms of intimidating atmosphere, rather than a spectacular & luxurious stadium with multiple levels and hospitality sections

Yes, I don't necessarily disagree with that, which is why I tried to make the distinction between the slightly different functions of side and end stands. I think the multi-tiered approach greatly increases the exclusivity-value of the respective corporate offers at Spurs.... however, if proportions and roof-design are right, multi-tiered venues can be equally atmospheric by bringing the fans closer to the action (and the opposite stands) on average. For me, the loudest atmosphere I've experienced in the UK is probably the Principality/Millenium stadium in Cardiff, with its healthily sized upper tier right under the roof, and not a kop in sight. Similarly at Goodison, but that wouldve been especially the case when there was standing on all sides with the large Goodison Rd terrace providing the bulk of the famous Goodison roar. So I think that their is room for both formats, serving slightly different purposes (as there was in Meis original design, and indeed his one for Roma).

 

[Tom Hughes]

I’m not an architect, but I imagine from certain angles Leach stadiums look the same. The fact is a football field surrounded by seats is always going to look similar..

The exterior of the ground is certainly unique and when the branding is added it’ll be even better.

We couldn’t stay at Anfield, we couldn’t stay at Goodison… BML is our new home and the club and the area will evolve together.

Man City, Brentford and others have made a success of a new stadium and I’m sure we will to

We couldn't stay at Anfield because of a dispute with the Owner. Their subsequent success, would not suggest that we couldn't stay there because of the suitability of the ground or location itself. Far from it in fact!

 

[Drico]

He’s not worth of even a toilet cubicle being named after him.

The Bill Kenwright Toilet Roll Dispenser: Empty, but watch this space!

 

[PeterGet]

We couldn't stay at Anfield because of a dispute with the Owner. Their subsequent success, would not suggest that we couldn't stay there because of the suitability of the ground or location itself. Far from it in fact!

True, but my point was based on the necessity to move rather than the cause